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Reload for the 2009 Superbowl: 4 major areas to address
Last post 12-05-2008, 7:29 PM by bear nut. 61 replies.
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Reload for the 2009 Superbowl: 4 major areas to address
If this franchise is truly serious about getting back to the Superbowl next year (and given how this organization has been run lately that's a pretty big "IF")... but if they are then some serious changes and bold moves are going to have to be made if they want to make a legitimate run at actually winning a Superbowl next year... and not just do it lip service while actually "rebuilding".
In no particular order, the 4 things I feel that are needed to reload this team for a Superbowl run next season....
1. Stop living in DENIAL: Earth to Halas Hall, come in... this is reality speaking... Neither Rex Grossman or Kyle Orton are franchise QB's. Please stop wasting anymore valuable time trying to win the Indy 500 with a Geo Metro and Ford F-150 . McNabb is inevitably going to be run out of Philly. Use some of the cap space we all know we'll have plenty off this offseason and bring McNabb home to Chicago for a short 2-3 year deal giving you time to properly develop the heir apparent (Hanie or whoever we might draft).
2. Coaching Accountability: Turner has no business coaching in any compasity on any professional football team anywhere, end of story, period. Stop being cheap and settling for 2nd rate hacks because you can get them for peanuts and they're buddies with previous ties to the org. Or for that matter because they're BFF's with the head coach. So yeah, Babich that means you too. See ya. Thanks for blitzing more than anyone in the league despite being one of the worst blitzing teams ever witnessed. Brilliant. If Lovie is unwilling to pull the trigger and free this team of the dead weight then send him packing as well. We need a competent coaching staff that is going to give this team the best chance to win, not continually put it behind the 8-ball losing the coaching chess match week after week putting our players in ridiculously stupid positions to be unsuccessful and then scratch their heads and say they don't know and can't figure out what the problem is. Gee guys do you even watch the games your coaching? If the Dolphins can go from 1-15 to legit post season contenders in one season with an entirely new staff I'm pretty sure we can bring in a new staff and get this team right back into the SB hunt with some coaches who aren't mentally disabled.
3. Fix the Friggin trenches: Our OL is undersized, gets routinely manhandled at the point of attack, and is maybe the worst downfield blockers in space I've ever seen. Olin is a shell of his former self and needs to be replaced. Tait is on his last legs. St Clair should not be starting and if I have to watch Garza get blown up by any more strong safteys I'm going to puke. You better pray to God Williams doesn't turn out to be a bust else we're F'd even more so than we already are. It is vital that the OL get address with another draft pick or two and/or FA signing. Defensively, we need to find another pass rusher so we can stop having to rely on our god awful blitzing to generate pressure. Make a run at Peppers or Suggs... something! ANYTHING! Drafting another Dan Bauzin isn't going to help.
4. Skill positions, stop the PR and EGO bullshat: Sorry, but the Rashied Davis training camp superstar PR crap you spewed out during the summer... yeah, nobody is buying that crap. Davis barely deserves to work the slot much less the #1. Hester can be a #2 but of course requires a competent coaching staff to actually utilize him correctly. And please for the love of God stop putting perfectly good WR's in the doghouse over petty ego battles with the coaching staff. First Bradley now Lloyd. Where does it end? Give Drake the boot and get a real legit #1 WR in here. Spend the $ for Boldin or CJ who you could probably scoop up on the cheap. All we really need is a one legit #1 guy to round out the wr core.
Feel free to add you're own or expound on any of mine.
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12-04-2008, 2:40 PM |
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Re: Reload for the 2009 Superbowl: 4 major areas to address
What hurts the most is that none of this will happen. We will still be on this forum discussing the Orton/Grossman saga (yeah, I think they're goin to re-sign Grossman) and discussing how bad the coaching is. The sad thing is that Lovie may be eventually run out of Chicago because he can't pull the triggers on his buddies.
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12-04-2008, 2:40 PM |
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Re: Reload for the 2009 Superbowl: 4 major areas to address
Packer Fan:You forgot "Bring back the Honeybears!"
Ah yes, another embarrassment. The only team in the league unable and unwilling to field a cheerleading squad.
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12-04-2008, 2:40 PM |
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Re: Reload for the 2009 Superbowl: 4 major areas to address
Packer Fan:You forgot "Bring back the Honeybears!"
Haha, I love your sarcasm here.
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12-04-2008, 2:41 PM |
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Re: Reload for the 2009 Superbowl: 4 major areas to address
I say we draft Sam Bradford in 2009!
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12-04-2008, 2:44 PM |
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Re: Reload for the 2009 Superbowl: 4 major areas to address
juke20:What hurts the most is that none of this will happen. We will still be on this forum discussing the Orton/Grossman saga (yeah, I think they're goin to re-sign Grossman) and discussing how bad the coaching is. The sad thing is that Lovie may be eventually run out of Chicago because he can't pull the triggers on his buddies.
What's sad is I agree with you 100%. I have no faith in any changes real changes being made. I'm sure we'll be rehashing this same exact crap next year... it funny but in a just got kicked in the nuts kind of way...lol. But hey its something to talk about at least while we all sit here bored at work.
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12-04-2008, 2:45 PM |
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Re: Reload for the 2009 Superbowl: 4 major areas to address
Bradford Bombs:I say we draft Sam Bradford in 2009!
Would be nice, doubt we'll be in position to get him though unfortunately.
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12-04-2008, 2:49 PM |
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Re: Reload for the 2009 Superbowl: 4 major areas to address
Broc: Packer Fan:You forgot "Bring back the Honeybears!"
Ah yes, another embarrassment. [b]The only team in the league unable and unwilling to field a cheerleading squad. -/b[
Pitts, giants, packers to name a few that do not.
hmm the old school teams do not,,, funny how that slipped by ya..
“All I was trying to say is, we’ve got Chicago fans coming down, there’s going to be a lot of them, they get excited for their football team, they get excited to come to the game. So, in turn, them coming to the game brings a football atmosphere that I’m used to, and that gets me excited . ..richie incognito
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12-04-2008, 2:51 PM |
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Re: Reload for the 2009 Superbowl: 4 major areas to address
Forget drafting QB's and WR's we need more O-Line I think. You just never know with QB's (case in point, Grossman) WR who knows with them also.
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12-04-2008, 2:51 PM |
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Re: Reload for the 2009 Superbowl: 4 major areas to address
Bradford Bombs:I say we draft Sam Bradford in 2009!
Sam? Is that really you? He's by far and away the best QB coming out, unless you like Stafford I mean, who by my counts has never won a big game at Georgia.
Santino, Left Tackle Mafia.
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dbears54: Broc: Packer Fan:You forgot "Bring back the Honeybears!"
Ah yes, another embarrassment. [b]The only team in the league unable and unwilling to field a cheerleading squad. -/b[
Pitts, giants, packers to name a few that do not.
hmm the old school teams do not,,, funny how that slipped by ya..
Could sworn we were the only ones. My mistake. But thanks for your invaluable contribution.
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Re: Reload for the 2009 Superbowl: 4 major areas to address
Broc: dbears54:
Broc: Packer Fan:You forgot "Bring back the Honeybears!"
Ah yes, another embarrassment. [b]The only team in the league unable and unwilling to field a cheerleading squad. -/b[
Pitts, giants, packers to name a few that do not.
hmm the old school teams do not,,, funny how that slipped by ya..
Could sworn we were the only ones. My mistake. But thanks for your invaluable contribution.
Not to attempt to highjack your thread, but the Packers sort of have cheerleaders...From Packers.com...
For several years, the team has used cheering squads from two local schools, St. Norbert College in De Pere, Wis., and the University of Wisconsin-Green Bay. Compared to other stadiums, though, they are not as much a part of the gameday experience at Lambeau Field.
"The football team has moved forward with the emphasis on defense," McCarthy said. "Because that's what I believe in."
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Packer Fan:Not to attempt to highjack your thread, but the Packers sort of have cheerleaders...From Packers.com...
For several years, the team has used cheering squads from two local schools, St. Norbert College in De Pere, Wis., and the University of Wisconsin-Green Bay. Compared to other stadiums, though, they are not as much a part of the gameday experience at Lambeau Field.
No worries, I have enough haters on here so I'm sure its only a matter of time before it's hijacked anyways.
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ChuckWagon: Bradford Bombs:I say we draft Sam Bradford in 2009!
Sam? Is that really you? He's by far and away the best QB coming out, unless you like Stafford I mean, who by my counts has never won a big game at Georgia.
Yeah, I guess we all know how that turned out for Payton Manning (never won the big game at Tenn) and Vince Young, who won all the big games at Texas.
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Broc:
1. Stop living in DENIAL: Earth to Halas Hall, come in... this is reality speaking... Neither Rex Grossman or Kyle Orton are franchise QB's. Please stop wasting anymore valuable time trying to win the Indy 500 with a Geo Metro and Ford F-150 . McNabb is inevitably going to be run out of Philly. Use some of the cap space we all know we'll have plenty off this offseason and bring McNabb home to Chicago for a short 2-3 year deal giving you time to properly develop the heir apparent (Hanie or whoever we might draft).
Could be a good idea. I just wonder when the wheels fall off McNabb. One season? Two? Even so, he's better than Ryle Groton. Broc: 2. Coaching Accountability: Turner has no business coaching in any compasity on any professional football team anywhere, end of story, period. Stop being cheap and settling for 2nd rate hacks because you can get them for peanuts and they're buddies with previous ties to the org. Or for that matter because they're BFF's with the head coach. So yeah, Babich that means you too. See ya. Thanks for blitzing more than anyone in the league despite being one of the worst blitzing teams ever witnessed. Brilliant. If Lovie is unwilling to pull the trigger and free this team of the dead weight then send him packing as well. We need a competent coaching staff that is going to give this team the best chance to win, not continually put it behind the 8-ball losing the coaching chess match week after week putting our players in ridiculously stupid positions to be unsuccessful and then scratch their heads and say they don't know and can't figure out what the problem is. Gee guys do you even watch the games your coaching? If the Dolphins can go from 1-15 to legit post season contenders in one season with an entirely new staff I'm pretty sure we can bring in a new staff and get this team right back into the SB hunt with some coaches who aren't mentally disabled.
I'd fire Lovie if I had the power. I didn't want to give him the extension. (Of course I can't prove that..got to start saving my posts). What do you think about Old Marty S? Broc: 3. Fix the Friggin trenches: Our OL is undersized, gets routinely manhandled at the point of attack, and is maybe the worst downfield blockers in space I've ever seen. Olin is a shell of his former self and needs to be replaced. Tait is on his last legs. St Clair should not be starting and if I have to watch Garza get blown up by any more strong safteys I'm going to puke. You better pray to God Williams doesn't turn out to be a bust else we're F'd even more so than we already are. It is vital that the OL get address with another draft pick or two and/or FA signing. Defensively, we need to find another pass rusher so we can stop having to rely on our god awful blitzing to generate pressure. Make a run at Peppers or Suggs... something! ANYTHING! Drafting another Dan Bauzin isn't going to help.
Just curious, I agree with you, but the only S I saw blow up Garza was Harris. and I think WIlliams will bust or end up at guard in the future. I believe (in my own little mind, where it all works out) that you use FA to fill needs and draft BPA. I would try to revamp the line in the offseason. The only one I would keep right now would be St CLair as a ultra-backup across the line. Maybe Beekman at C. Broc: 4. Skill positions, stop the PR and EGO bullshat: Sorry, but the Rashied Davis training camp superstar PR crap you spewed out during the summer... yeah, nobody is buying that crap. Davis barely deserves to work the slot much less the #1. Hester can be a #2 but of course requires a competent coaching staff to actually utilize him correctly. And please for the love of God stop putting perfectly good WR's in the doghouse over petty ego battles with the coaching staff. First Bradley now Lloyd. Where does it end? Give Drake the boot and get a real legit #1 WR in here. Spend the $ for Boldin or CJ who you could probably scoop up on the cheap. All we really need is a one legit #1 guy to round out the wr core.
Feel free to add you're own or expound on any of mine.
Where is Bennett? I was on the R Davis bandwagon, but no longer. Too inconsistent. If we get McNabb, maybe we can attract a #1 WR.
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Re: Reload for the 2009 Superbowl: 4 major areas to address
Broc:If this franchise is truly serious about getting back to the Superbowl next year (and given how this organization has been run lately that's a pretty big "IF")... but if they are then some serious changes and bold moves are going to have to be made if they want to make a legitimate run at actually winning a Superbowl next year... and not just do it lip service while actually "rebuilding".
In no particular order, the 4 things I feel that are needed to reload this team for a Superbowl run next season....
1. Stop living in DENIAL: Earth to Halas Hall, come in... this is reality speaking... Neither Rex Grossman or Kyle Orton are franchise QB's. Please stop wasting anymore valuable time trying to win the Indy 500 with a Geo Metro and Ford F-150 . McNabb is inevitably going to be run out of Philly. Use some of the cap space we all know we'll have plenty off this offseason and bring McNabb home to Chicago for a short 2-3 year deal giving you time to properly develop the heir apparent (Hanie or whoever we might draft).
2. Coaching Accountability: Turner has no business coaching in any compasity on any professional football team anywhere, end of story, period. Stop being cheap and settling for 2nd rate hacks because you can get them for peanuts and they're buddies with previous ties to the org. Or for that matter because they're BFF's with the head coach. So yeah, Babich that means you too. See ya. Thanks for blitzing more than anyone in the league despite being one of the worst blitzing teams ever witnessed. Brilliant. If Lovie is unwilling to pull the trigger and free this team of the dead weight then send him packing as well. We need a competent coaching staff that is going to give this team the best chance to win, not continually put it behind the 8-ball losing the coaching chess match week after week putting our players in ridiculously stupid positions to be unsuccessful and then scratch their heads and say they don't know and can't figure out what the problem is. Gee guys do you even watch the games your coaching? If the Dolphins can go from 1-15 to legit post season contenders in one season with an entirely new staff I'm pretty sure we can bring in a new staff and get this team right back into the SB hunt with some coaches who aren't mentally disabled.
3. Fix the Friggin trenches: Our OL is undersized, gets routinely manhandled at the point of attack, and is maybe the worst downfield blockers in space I've ever seen. Olin is a shell of his former self and needs to be replaced. Tait is on his last legs. St Clair should not be starting and if I have to watch Garza get blown up by any more strong safteys I'm going to puke. You better pray to God Williams doesn't turn out to be a bust else we're F'd even more so than we already are. It is vital that the OL get address with another draft pick or two and/or FA signing. Defensively, we need to find another pass rusher so we can stop having to rely on our god awful blitzing to generate pressure. Make a run at Peppers or Suggs... something! ANYTHING! Drafting another Dan Bauzin isn't going to help.
4. Skill positions, stop the PR and EGO bullshat: Sorry, but the Rashied Davis training camp superstar PR crap you spewed out during the summer... yeah, nobody is buying that crap. Davis barely deserves to work the slot much less the #1. Hester can be a #2 but of course requires a competent coaching staff to actually utilize him correctly. And please for the love of God stop putting perfectly good WR's in the doghouse over petty ego battles with the coaching staff. First Bradley now Lloyd. Where does it end? Give Drake the boot and get a real legit #1 WR in here. Spend the $ for Boldin or CJ who you could probably scoop up on the cheap. All we really need is a one legit #1 guy to round out the wr core.
Feel free to add you're own or expound on any of mine.
Broc Excellent post!! I agree with this 100%, Like you i wish this would happen.. We can always Hope lol...
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brasilbear: Yeah, I guess we all know how that turned out for Payton Manning (never won the big game at Tenn) and Vince Young, who won all the big games at Texas.
Either way I don't really think it matters. I think I have better odds winning the lotto than the Bears do of drafting the next Matt Ryan who can step in and win games next season. For my money the smart play is bringing in a new coaching staff who can actually develop a QB. Lets be honest, Turner and his crew are not capable of doing that. Then bring in a vet like McNabb and get the best out of what he's got left in the tank while letting the heir apparent learn behind McNabb and allow the new coaching staff to get them ready.
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I completely agree, but there's no need to wait for McNabb. This team should have no problem signing a perfectly good QB named Aaron Brooks. He put up good #'s even when the Saints and Raiders Su**d. There's no reason whatsoever to be wasting time w/ QB's as bad as what the Bears have. Disgruntled fan.
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Broc: brasilbear: Yeah, I guess we all know how that turned out for Payton Manning (never won the big game at Tenn) and Vince Young, who won all the big games at Texas.
Either way I don't really think it matters. I think I have better odds winning the lotto than the Bears do of drafting the next Matt Ryan who can step in and win games next season. For my money the smart play is bringing in a new coaching staff who can actually develop a QB. Lets be honest, Turner and his crew are not capable of doing that. Then bring in a vet like McNabb and get the best out of what he's got left in the tank while letting the heir apparent learn behind McNabb and allow the new coaching staff to get them ready.
My comment wasn't directed at you, but at the poster who wants to draft a qb based on his record in "big games" while in college. I actually think that as long as we have Lovie and CO in charge we will get a string of 7-9, 8-8, 9-7 seasons from here on out. Never good enough to challenge and never bad enough to start over. If we are stuck with Love and CO, I'd go with McNabb. If we can get fresh blood, I'd stay with Orton and Hanie if possible. I'd also draft a qb next year (maybe rounds 3-5), the Bradys and Romos are out there ( not that I think we'll find him, sad isn't it.)
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brasilbear: Could be a good idea. I just wonder when the wheels fall off McNabb. One season? Two? Even so, he's better than Ryle Groton.
I think you mean Ryle Ortman lol. But yes that's a valid concern. But that said I do think he's got enough left in the tank to give us at least 2 solid seasons. I dunno, this idea has just really grown on me lately. I think the stage is set for him to have a "F you philly I'll show you why you're all stupid for letting me go" season next year. And personally I'd like us to be the team benifitting from it. brasilbear: I'd fire Lovie if I had the power. I didn't want to give him the extension. (Of course I can't prove that..got to start saving my posts). What do you think about Old Marty S?
Marty? I dunno.. I think its no conincidence his teams choke in the playoffs. Wound to tight maybe? I dunno. I'd be open to a just about anyone though. Wouldn't mind Cower, honestly wouldn't mind Mora as much of a joke as it would be viewed as. I'd even take Singletary so long as he built a good staff around him. brasilbear: Just curious, I agree with you, but the only S I saw blow up Garza was Harris. and I think WIlliams will bust or end up at guard in the future. I believe (in my own little mind, where it all works out) that you use FA to fill needs and draft BPA. I would try to revamp the line in the offseason. The only one I would keep right now would be St CLair as a ultra-backup across the line. Maybe Beekman at C.
True I probably did over exaggerate that a bit as Harris is the only one that vividly sticks out in my mind but I'm sure if I went through my DVR I could pick out a few others. But yeah besides Beekman the whole thing needs to be revamped. Would be nice to pick up some young FA blood but we all saw how that worked out last season (rolls eyes). I'll just be happy with any injection of youth FA or draft. As long as it gets addressed in some fashion and they don't cut them all in TC. brasilbear: Where is Bennett? I was on the R Davis bandwagon, but no longer. Too inconsistent. If we get McNabb, maybe we can attract a #1 WR.
Exactly. Buried on the bench. Would be nice if we could actually see him in some meaningful game time action so we could see what we have in the kid. As for Davis... I had a hard time swallowing all that PR bs this summer and it looks like my fears were justified as the dude is a complete disappointment. And I agree that if we land McNabb it would make it much easier for us to attract a #1 WR. Pining for one in the draft is useless as they take forever to develop unless they're Calvin Johnson freakishly good in which case we aren't gonna get him and even if we do draft one he'll just end up buried on the bench with Bennett. So if we're gonna improve this area I believe we have to make a move in FA. Would love to see them take the plunge for Boldin but that would literally take a miracle for that to happen. I do though think that CJ | | |