I seriously can't keep watching this mess that is Orlando Pace. His old motors really start kicking in later on the in games, thats when we need him the most to protect Cutler's blind side. I would really like to bench him and put Omiyale at LT. Omiyale's natural position is at LT where he played it in Carolina. He didnt have to go up against huge 300 pound NT's. I feel we could benifit a lot more than having him sit on the bench while paying him 14 million for 3 years.

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HesterReturns:

I seriously can't keep watching this mess that is Orlando Pace. His old motors really start kicking in later on the in games, thats when we need him the most to protect Cutler's blind side. I would really like to bench him and put Omiyale at LT. Omiyale's natural position is at LT where he played it in Carolina. He didnt have to go up against huge 300 pound NT's. I feel we could benifit a lot more than having him sit on the bench while paying him 14 million for 3 years.

Your thoughts

I dont the Omiyale cancer anywhere on the OL. We took some teams practice squad guy that played in one damn game. He is worthless, i wouldnt even keep him as a practice squad guy.

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if Pace were to be benched, I'm pretty sure they would move Williams to LT and start Shaffer at RT.

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DaYdAy69:

HesterReturns:

I seriously can't keep watching this mess that is Orlando Pace. His old motors really start kicking in later on the in games, thats when we need him the most to protect Cutler's blind side. I would really like to bench him and put Omiyale at LT. Omiyale's natural position is at LT where he played it in Carolina. He didnt have to go up against huge 300 pound NT's. I feel we could benifit a lot more than having him sit on the bench while paying him 14 million for 3 years.

Your thoughts

I dont the Omiyale cancer anywhere on the OL. We took some teams practice squad guy that played in one damn game. He is worthless, i wouldnt even keep him as a practice squad guy.

Omiyale shouldn't be judged for his work at guard. He's a tackle... moving him to OG was a nice thought but it's a much different position and he wasn't able to learn it in a single offseason.

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KentM:

DaYdAy69:

HesterReturns:

I seriously can't keep watching this mess that is Orlando Pace. His old motors really start kicking in later on the in games, thats when we need him the most to protect Cutler's blind side. I would really like to bench him and put Omiyale at LT. Omiyale's natural position is at LT where he played it in Carolina. He didnt have to go up against huge 300 pound NT's. I feel we could benifit a lot more than having him sit on the bench while paying him 14 million for 3 years.

Your thoughts

I dont the Omiyale cancer anywhere on the OL. We took some teams practice squad guy that played in one damn game. He is worthless, i wouldnt even keep him as a practice squad guy.

Omiyale shouldn't be judged for his work at guard. He's a tackle... moving him to OG was a nice thought but it's a much different position and he wasn't able to learn it in a single offseason.

Regardless, let him go protect Aaron Rodgers blindside.

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You guys really think Orlando Pace is a better option? We should at least see what we have in Omiyale at his natural position after we invested $14M in him... Or better yet, move Williams back to LT and let him develop where we drafted him to play and see if Omiyale/Shaffer can hack it on the right side.

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KentM:

You guys really think Orlando Pace is a better option?

I know the only way Pace is getting benched is if we are out of contention and then Williams will play LT. Doesn't matter what I think or Pace would have never been signed in the first place.

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um...............NO! The fact that you would want that pile on the field is a testament to stupidity. Did you watch the guy play at all, or are you just now catching up with the action? I cant even believe you have watched any Bear games this season, based on your post.

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DieHardBears!!:

um...............NO! The fact that you would want that pile on the field is a testament to stupidity. Did you watch the guy play at all, or are you just now catching up with the action? I cant even believe you have watched any Bear games this season, based on your post.

Have you watched any of the games this season? Pace has been getting SMOKED. And Williams hasn't fared much better on the right side where things are often considered easier. You're judging a tackle on how he played in his first outings as a guard. Pace is old, slow, and he can't play four quarters. That leaves us with Williams, who may be able to play better in pass protection on the left, Omiyale, who is much younger and is a natural LT, and Shaffer, who has starting experience as a RT but looked shaky in the preseason.

If you've been watching these games you should know these things. Pace looks awful, especially in the fourth quarter.

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KentM:

You guys really think Orlando Pace is a better option? We should at least see what we have in Omiyale at his natural position after we invested $14M in him... Or better yet, move Williams back to LT and let him develop where we drafted him to play and see if Omiyale/Shaffer can hack it on the right side.

This is the best idea. TO absurdly hate the guy for playing badly, and not wanting to try him at his natural position is to fail to take into account 3 things:
1. Pace is struggling badly himself...that certainly affects a G, esp one learning the position
2. Kruetz has not been his best---so now both sides of FO are weaker
3. G isn't his position---how long is it taking Hester to learn a new position at NFL level?

So, I'd like the idea of moving Williams to LT, and letting Frank and Kevin play it out for RT

Now...don't get me wrong...I'm not happy at all with Frank's performance at G....but refer to the above points.....just because a player can't play position X does not mean he cannot play position Y. A learner between two struggling vets makes it very hard to judge the learner TOTAL playing ability

Oh No! I have definitely watched pace get smoked over and over again. But no more than kruetz. Beekman should move to center. Move Williams to the position we drafted him to play at lt. He was good pass pro lt at vandy. Why even stunt his development by putting him at right? Next you put shaffer at RT. He at least deserves a shot. He is a solid tackle, and a much better run blocker than omygod. At this point in the year tho, you have to keep kreutz at center. We have to deal with this until we find a RG. So I would have it williams beekman kreutz garza shaffer.... for now.

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DieHardBears!!:

Oh No! I have definitely watched pace get smoked over and over again. But no more than kruetz. Beekman should move to center. Move Williams to the position we drafted him to play at lt. He was good pass pro lt at vandy. Why even stunt his development by putting him at right? Next you put shaffer at RT. He at least deserves a shot. He is a solid tackle, and a much better run blocker than omygod. At this point in the year tho, you have to keep kreutz at center. We have to deal with this until we find a RG. So I would have it williams beekman kreutz garza shaffer.... for now.

I would have agreed with you before the preseason but Shaffer was getting burned on just about every down and he wasn't even going up against many first string players...

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hungrylikethewolfe:

if Pace were to be benched, I'm pretty sure they would move Williams to LT and start Shaffer at RT.

That would help the running game

KentM:

DieHardBears!!:

um...............NO! The fact that you would want that pile on the field is a testament to stupidity. Did you watch the guy play at all, or are you just now catching up with the action? I cant even believe you have watched any Bear games this season, based on your post.

Have you watched any of the games this season? Pace has been getting SMOKED. And Williams hasn't fared much better on the right side where things are often considered easier. You're judging a tackle on how he played in his first outings as a guard. Pace is old, slow, and he can't play four quarters. That leaves us with Williams, who may be able to play better in pass protection on the left, Omiyale, who is much younger and is a natural LT, and Shaffer, who has starting experience as a RT but looked shaky in the preseason.

If you've been watching these games you should know these things. Pace looks awful, especially in the fourth quarter.

Of course Pace looks awfull. He's done. You know why the Rams let him go??? Because he's done. You know why he came here? Because it's nice to get a paycheck despite the fact your done. You know what Lovie Smith cannot bring himself to admit? Pace is done.

Omiyale sucks. Wanna know why he couldn't find his way into a starting position for 4 years? Because he sucks. Wanna know why he never saw the field unless, not one, but two starters were out? Because he sucks. Want to know why Carolina didn't put up a fight when he was leaving in free agency? Because he sucks. Wanna know why he came here? Because it's nice to get a paycheck despite the fact you suck. Wanna know what Omiyale is going to do tomorrow? He's going to suck. Wanna know what dose of reality just hit Lovie in the head? Omiyale sucks.

Now enough with the "lets try this" BS. A true Bears fan should be hoping there is a back door these two can be snuck out of before one of them accidently trips and kills Cutler.

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KentM:

DieHardBears!!:

Oh No!
I have definitely watched pace get smoked over and over again.
But no more than kruetz.
Beekman should move to center.
Move Williams to the position we drafted him to play at lt. He was good pass pro lt at vandy.
Why even stunt his development by putting him at right?
Next you put shaffer at RT.
He at least deserves a shot. He is a solid tackle, and a much better run blocker than omygod.
At this point in the year tho, you have to keep kreutz at center.
We have to deal with this until we find a RG.
So I would have it williams beekman kreutz garza shaffer.... for now.

I would have agreed with you before the preseason but Shaffer was getting burned on just about every down and he wasn't even going up against many first string players...

That's because he was playing LT, he's a better option at RT.

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KentM:

DieHardBears!!:

um...............NO! The fact that you would want that pile on the field is a testament to stupidity. Did you watch the guy play at all, or are you just now catching up with the action? I cant even believe you have watched any Bear games this season, based on your post.

Have you watched any of the games this season? Pace has been getting SMOKED. And Williams hasn't fared much better on the right side where things are often considered easier. You're judging a tackle on how he played in his first outings as a guard. Pace is old, slow, and he can't play four quarters. That leaves us with Williams, who may be able to play better in pass protection on the left, Omiyale, who is much younger and is a natural LT, and Shaffer, who has starting experience as a RT but looked shaky in the preseason.

If you've been watching these games you should know these things. Pace looks awful, especially in the fourth quarter.

Of course Pace looks awfull. He's done. You know why the Rams let him go??? Because he's done. You know why he came here? Because it's nice to get a paycheck despite the fact your done. You know what Lovie Smith cannot bring himself to admit? Pace is done.

Omiyale sucks. Wanna know why he couldn't find his way into a starting position for 4 years? Because he sucks. Wanna know why he never saw the field unless, not one, but two starters were out? Because he sucks. Want to know why Carolina didn't put up a fight when he was leaving in free agency? Because he sucks. Wanna know why he came here? Because it's nice to get a paycheck despite the fact you suck. Wanna know what Omiyale is going to do tomorrow? He's going to suck. Wanna know what dose of reality just hit Lovie in the head? Omiyale sucks.

Now enough with the "lets try this" BS. A true Bears fan should be hoping there is a back door these two can be snuck out of before one of them accidently trips and kills Cutler.

I pretty sure the reason Omiyale couldn't get on the field in Carolina is because of Gross and Otah. They want their tackles to not only be very effective pass blockers but also very effective run blockers. Omiyale strength at tackle is his pass blocking which is why they made him fill in on the left when Gross went down.

I don't think he's a starting tackle but he could be a swing tackle.

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Uncle Zeek:

KentM:

DieHardBears!!:

um...............NO! The fact that you would want that pile on the field is a testament to stupidity. Did you watch the guy play at all, or are you just now catching up with the action? I cant even believe you have watched any Bear games this season, based on your post.

Have you watched any of the games this season? Pace has been getting SMOKED. And Williams hasn't fared much better on the right side where things are often considered easier. You're judging a tackle on how he played in his first outings as a guard. Pace is old, slow, and he can't play four quarters. That leaves us with Williams, who may be able to play better in pass protection on the left, Omiyale, who is much younger and is a natural LT, and Shaffer, who has starting experience as a RT but looked shaky in the preseason.

If you've been watching these games you should know these things. Pace looks awful, especially in the fourth quarter.

Of course Pace looks awfull. He's done. You know why the Rams let him go??? Because he's done. You know why he came here? Because it's nice to get a paycheck despite the fact your done. You know what Lovie Smith cannot bring himself to admit? Pace is done.

Omiyale sucks. Wanna know why he couldn't find his way into a starting position for 4 years? Because he sucks. Wanna know why he never saw the field unless, not one, but two starters were out? Because he sucks. Want to know why Carolina didn't put up a fight when he was leaving in free agency? Because he sucks. Wanna know why he came here? Because it's nice to get a paycheck despite the fact you suck. Wanna know what Omiyale is going to do tomorrow? He's going to suck. Wanna know what dose of reality just hit Lovie in the head? Omiyale sucks.

Now enough with the "lets try this" BS. A true Bears fan should be hoping there is a back door these two can be snuck out of before one of them accidently trips and kills Cutler.

I pretty sure the reason Omiyale couldn't get on the field in Carolina is because of Gross and Otah. They want their tackles to not only be very effective pass blockers but also very effective run blockers. Omiyale strength at tackle is his pass blocking which is why they made him fill in on the left when Gross went down. I don't think he's a starting tackle but he could be a swing tackle.

A swing tackle who can't swing. What's the point? Again, if it's not Pace at left it will be Williams. IT WILL BE WILLIAMS! Frank can't play RT and he can't play guard so what is the point in keeping him around?

When you say his strength is pass blocking, how confident are you in that? Cut the cord already. Let him be some other teams problem.

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if we benched Pace, why would we not put CW there? makes no sense.

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#23:

if we benched Pace, why would we not put CW there? makes no sense.

What makes no sense is moving you whole OL around at midseason.   Williams has been the RT since Pace was signed, and has never taken a snap at LT in the pros.  For 09' at least it's more of a gamble to protect your franchise QB's blindside with a raw young player, than it is to shift Omiyale to the only position he has ever played at the pro level.

DieHardBears!!:

Oh No! I have definitely watched pace get smoked over and over again. But no more than kruetz. Beekman should move to center. Move Williams to the position we drafted him to play at lt. He was good pass pro lt at vandy. Why even stunt his development by putting him at right? Next you put shaffer at RT. He at least deserves a shot. He is a solid tackle, and a much better run blocker than omygod. At this point in the year tho, you have to keep kreutz at center. We have to deal with this until we find a RG. So I would have it williams beekman kreutz garza shaffer.... for now.

So let me get this right.......at midseason you want to bench Pace, and Kruetz along with Omiyale.  Move Williams from RT and replace him with Shaffer, now move Williams from RT to LT, and Beekman from LG to C, so the only OLinemen who would be in the same spot would be Garza at RG.   Who then replaces Beekman at LG? 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA.. He's a terrible guard with absolutely no awareness, so lets move him to LT and have him protect Jay's blindside.. great post.. bump for sure.... did you watch him play? He wasn't getting plowed over by "300 pound NT's".. he was constantly out of position, whiffing on blocks in almost every conceivable way.. the Lions, Falcons, and Bungles don't have giant nose tackles, and Jay still got killed in those games because Frank Omiyale doesn't belong in the NFL, let alone in the starting lineup.

Well I think that the three worst guys on the OL right were Pace, Omiyale and Kreutz.  We took out Omiyale and put in Beekman.  It helped a little and should help as the season goes on but really, IMO.  These OL will continue to struugle to protect Cutler as long as Pace is on the field.  I would put Williams at LT and then you got 4 different guys you could pick from at RT with Shaffer, Pace, Omiyale and even Louis.  But I think in the end moving Pace out of the most important position(LT) improves the OL dramatically even if Williams is only average.  Then I think one of those other four should atleast be able to be ok at RT.  If we improve the LT and the LG, that should help to cover up Kreutz a little since we really dont have anyone to replace Olin now that Beekman is at guard.

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I'm sympathetic to the fact that Omiyale has historically played tackle, but I don't know if that's really all that significant.  The guy literally falls down and misses people on many, many plays.  He is fundamentally missing whatever instincts and balance are needed to play on the offensive line.  All he has is size.  Good god - can you IMAGINE what Jared Allen would do to him?  At least Pace has experience and knowledge to get in the way on a play or two.  Omiyale would be a red carpet to Cutler.

Uncle Zeek:

KentM:

DieHardBears!!:

um...............NO! The fact that you would want that pile on the field is a testament to stupidity. Did you watch the guy play at all, or are you just now catching up with the action? I cant even believe you have watched any Bear games this season, based on your post.

Have you watched any of the games this season? Pace has been getting SMOKED. And Williams hasn't fared much better on the right side where things are often considered easier. You're judging a tackle on how he played in his first outings as a guard. Pace is old, slow, and he can't play four quarters. That leaves us with Williams, who may be able to play better in pass protection on the left, Omiyale, who is much younger and is a natural LT, and Shaffer, who has starting experience as a RT but looked shaky in the preseason.

If you've been watching these games you should know these things. Pace looks awful, especially in the fourth quarter.

Of course Pace looks awfull. He's done. You know why the Rams let him go??? Because he's done. You know why he came here? Because it's nice to get a paycheck despite the fact your done. You know what Lovie Smith cannot bring himself to admit? Pace is done.

Omiyale sucks. Wanna know why he couldn't find his way into a starting position for 4 years? Because he sucks. Wanna know why he never saw the field unless, not one, but two starters were out? Because he sucks. Want to know why Carolina didn't put up a fight when he was leaving in free agency? Because he sucks. Wanna know why he came here? Because it's nice to get a paycheck despite the fact you suck. Wanna know what Omiyale is going to do tomorrow? He's going to suck. Wanna know what dose of reality just hit Lovie in the head? Omiyale sucks.

Now enough with the "lets try this" BS. A true Bears fan should be hoping there is a back door these two can be snuck out of before one of them accidently trips and kills Cutler.

Wow you seem like you have a lot of problems in your life to be this negative

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