I liken it to Lienart and Brohm both of whom stayed in college a year to long. The guy has 5 tds vs texas today. With about 11 ins left to play hes 24/30 324 yards 5 tds and a pick. I don't think there would be any question as to who the top QB pick would be at this point. Stafford has been very inconsistent in my opinion.

McCoy is also improving his draft stock. 22/28 215 and a Td.

Sadly I don't see us being in a position to draft Bradford. McCoy looks to be at least a 2nd rounder at the moment.

Bradford looks phenomenal today. Five tds in a non spread offense. The  only reason they aren't winning is because bradford has had clutch drops on 3rd and 4th downs. But really what if Orton stays hot and has a decent/good year? What do we do? I would stay stick with him and draft a guard or tackle but if Orton pulls a grossman and drops off I say get Bradford no matter what.

Nothing against Orton but I don't think you can just hope he gets better. You have to have a back up plan. I mean look at how Derek Anderson regressed this season. Maybe Hanie is that plan. I don't know. But, if we finish with the 20th or later pick each round a 2nd on Colt McCoy wouldn't be a bad pick. My idea for our draft with the 20 pick would be something like this

Andre Smith/Duke Robinson(if available) in the first
McCoy
G/T(depending on what we do in the 1st)
DE
and somewhere later in the draft pick up a guy that can play G or T as a young back up. Next year we dump Miller, Metcalf and possibly 1 other linemen.

I would prefer to see us address the WR position in FA by signing a solid #1. Draft is too risky for WR to me.

I don't know...I think it's entirely possible for Orton to keep improving this year. Remember, he's only 25. How many QBs in the NFL are "good" by the time they're 25? Exactly, not a whole heck of a lot.

Give him this season to improve...and if he still looks like a mediocre QB, then we go after a QB. If he looks like he's turned the corner, look for a backup/3rd stringer to go along with Hanie.

sporrer17:

I don't know...I think it's entirely possible for Orton to keep improving this year. Remember, he's only 25. How many QBs in the NFL are "good" by the time they're 25? Exactly, not a whole heck of a lot.

Give him this season to improve...and if he still looks like a mediocre QB, then we go after a QB. If he looks like he's turned the corner, look for a backup/3rd stringer to go along with Hanie.

The thing is where is the harm in having a back up plan? If we get a T in round 1 and a G in round 3(or vice versa) our line is improved. Our running game is improved. If we get a FB later in the draft how can grade roads then we're set in the running game. We are already set at TE. And if we pick up a #1 WR in FA we have no needs on offense.

We still need to address DE and possibly S on defense but I think I feel more comfortable with those positions than I do at QB. And I'm not trying to put Orton down. But the fact is we've pretty much ignored QB for so long. I don't think it's something we can keep avoiding. If Orton plays great then cool, we have 2 good young QBs and a rookie.to replace Grossman who's bound to leave unless he some how finds his way back to stardom with us(very unrealistic at this point).

I have no problem having a backup plan, but I just don't like investing in a top pick QB if we have Orton playing well. If Orton tanks, then sure, go hard after a guy like Bradford.

leprakan5:

Bradford looks phenomenal today. Five tds in a non spread offense. The  only reason they aren't winning is because bradford has had clutch drops on 3rd and 4th downs. But really what if Orton stays hot and has a decent/good year? What do we do? I would stay stick with him and draft a guard or tackle but if Orton pulls a grossman and drops off I say get Bradford no matter what.

You can't say that he had 5 tds in a pro-style offense.  About 2 of every 3 plays they called today were spread.  I wouldn't mind getting Bradford one bit, but he has his problems like any other college QB.

1,  Too much spread offense.
2. Sometimes he stares down his receivers.  A perfect example was his first TD today.  On the other hand, sometimes he looks off defenders.
3. He has all day to throw.  His line is better than the Bears line...and that's not an exaggeration.  Two of them will be first rounders.  No telling how he'll be when he spends half his time on his back in the pros.
4. When he is pressured (and that is awfully rare), he either takes the hit like Orton or gets happy feet like Rex.
5. Slightly above-average downfield arm.  Not elite by anyone's estimation.  Basically Orton's arm strength.
6. Not much of a scrambler.

He's a very accurate passer with a good release who can throw well on the run.  Other than that, he's inconsistent.  It should be understood that upon being drafted, he'll need two years or so of being taught how to QB.  The passers who have games like his are Tom Brady (the upside) and any of a thousand failed QBs (the downside).

Assuming all of the big four declare early this year, I'd rank the QB class like this:
1. Sanchez, USC
2. Bradford, Oklahoma
3. Stafford, Georgia
4. Bomar, Sam Houston St.
5. Tebow, Florida

I think the first four of these can be good NFL starters if they're handled right.  I think the top two will still be playing college football next year.  Number one probably needs to be brought along at the speed of Jay Cutler...So that's good.  Number two more like Brady Quinn...So that's a pain.  Numbers three and four are very, very raw and will need a crap-ton of work, but should be pretty good when it's done.  Even if they all declare, the top three won't be on the board when we pick.  The best guys for us who have a chance of being available around our pick (I assume somewhere around pick 20) will probably be:

-Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland
-Harvin, WR, Florida
-Robinson, G, Oklahoma
-Mack, C, California
-About four guys who will be decent NFL right tackles

Ideally, I wouldn't mind seeing us do something like:
1st : Trade our original first for a later first and a second rounder.
1st : Robinson or Mack
2nd:: Right Tackle (deep this year)
2nd: Wide receiver
3rd: Defensive end or best of whatever OL/WR are available
4th round: Long-term development QB...In order of preference: Bomar, McCoy, Painter.
5th-7th: Whoever is on the board with the highest potential.  No CB/S/TE/DTs!!!  A fullback would be nice.

I'm not sure how you could even compare Sanchez and Bradford.

Bradfords stats
2008 - 134/185(72%), 2052 yards 23 tds and 5 picks (thru 5 games)

Sanchez's stats
2008 - 93/146(64%), 1248 yards 16 tds and 5 picks (thru 5 games)

Granted Bradfords WR do have a larger advantage in yac. The stats stand out but Sanchez has also been injury prone. As for the spread, IMO way to many teams in college play the spread. I guess it works but it doesn't generally make for a good NFL qb.

Maybe people are seeing something I am not but I just don't see the problem we have at WR. Lloyd is a pretty good #2. Hester is a good development guy/3 and Davis is a good 4. You go out and get a guy like TJ houshmanzada are the problem is fixed. I'd much rather do this than draft a WR and wait for him to develop. I mean Bennett was an early 3rd round pick and he hasn't even been activated this year. So, I don't see how drafting a guy in round 2 helps. Possibly a #1 would help but if you ask me what I would rather a WR or a G/T it would be easy. Line all day long.

beckdawg:

I'm not sure how you could even compare Sanchez and Bradford.

Bradfords stats
2008 - 134/185(72%), 2052 yards 23 tds and 5 picks (thru 5 games)

Sanchez's stats
2008 - 93/146(64%), 1248 yards 16 tds and 5 picks (thru 5 games)

Granted Bradfords WR do have a larger advantage in yac. The stats stand out but Sanchez has also been injury prone. As for the spread, IMO way to many teams in college play the spread. I guess it works but it doesn't generally make for a good NFL qb.

Maybe people are seeing something I am not but I just don't see the problem we have at WR. Lloyd is a pretty good #2. Hester is a good development guy/3 and Davis is a good 4. You go out and get a guy like TJ houshmanzada are the problem is fixed. I'd much rather do this than draft a WR and wait for him to develop. I mean Bennett was an early 3rd round pick and he hasn't even been activated this year. So, I don't see how drafting a guy in round 2 helps. Possibly a #1 would help but if you ask me what I would rather a WR or a G/T it would be easy. Line all day long.

It's simple, really.  Bradford has better receivers, a better line, a weaker arm, worse accuracy and plays in the spread.  Sanchez plays a real pro-style offense and has one of the most mechanically perfect releases out there.  His upside is pretty much Peyton Manning minus all of the Manning awesomeness of being his own offensive coordinator.

You can't judge them by their stats.  If you just want to grab the guy with the best stats, we could just draft Chase Daniel in the sixth round and have a third string QB until we release him and he starts his Arena career.  Rex Grossman had better stats in college than most NFL QBs.  Garrett Wolfe had better stats than most NFL RBs.  Neither one is actually good, though.

You just said that you don't see what our receiver problem is because all we need to do is add a pro-bowl receiver.  By the same token, you could say that you don't see what the QB problem is because all we have to do is add Tom Brady.  No, Rashied Davis is not good.  Lloyd is a guy that every other team in the NFL passed on.  Hester's routes are all "run really fast downfield and then turn around" because he can't memorize the others.  We have the single worst receiver corps in the NFL according to everyone that isn't a Bear fan.  Second round receivers don't suck because Earl Bennett does.  There are two of them drafted last year that look better than anyone we have.

Bradford is a sophomore and won't be eligible until the 2010 NFL draft.

gurujr:

Bradford is a sophomore and won't be eligible until the 2010 NFL draft.

Bradford is a REDSHIRT sophomore, so he actually IS eligible for the 2009 draft...

But I'd rather see an RT (Andre Smith) or an OG (Duke Robinson) in round 1 and a developmental QB like Nathan Brown from Central Arkansas or Dan LeFevour from Central Michigan in the 3rd or 4th round.
We also need a DE, a FS, a FB and a backup O-lineman.

I'll post a mock draft today ;)

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I completely disagree with you. Not for Bradfords ability, but because STafford and Tebow are ranked higher than Bradford on all draft boards. And if both of them come out for this years draft he should wait for the following year.

If you say why? Millions of reasons...why wait to be taken in the late first round when you can be a top 10 pick. Bradford has time on his side as a redshirt sophomore, he has all the options. He can leave this year, the next or the following after a 5th year of eligibility. He is in the perfect situation. It's all wait and see... Tebow and STafford have to make the decision. Tebows passing deficiencies make him drop? Staffords errant 6 throws a game gonna hurt his ranking...which his ranking is solely based on his arm atrength.

The funny thing I find is Juice WIlliams a complete paradox. Huge arm, okay running ability [he can't run a 4.5] but he can avoid tacklers and is strong enough to get yards. Accuracy has always been Juice's achilles heel, which he has worked hard on, now he has to be taught to get rid of the ball on the mental 3 second count. Definitely an intriguing pick. Leads Big 10 in yards, TDs, yards/ completion. Has had 2 400 yard passing games... he might be a second day pick in 2010 draft at actually QB.

beckdawg:

I liken it to Lienart and Brohm both of whom stayed in college a year to long. The guy has 5 tds vs texas today. With about 11 ins left to play hes 24/30 324 yards 5 tds and a pick. I don't think there would be any question as to who the top QB pick would be at this point. Stafford has been very inconsistent in my opinion.

McCoy is also improving his draft stock. 22/28 215 and a Td.

Sadly I don't see us being in a position to draft Bradford. McCoy looks to be at least a 2nd rounder at the moment.

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Cade & Rex

Cade: 16tds 19ints 66.7 qb rating 54.6% completion
Rex: 31tds 33ints 70.9% qb rating 54.3% completion

According to walterfootball Bradford has leap frogged Tebow and Stafford to land at the top spot for the upcoming draft. I recant my earlier comment that Bradford should stay in school. As Top 5 money beats the hell out of later money.

The senior QBs are all getting benched so if you were hoping for a Cantwell, Harper, or Painter you can wait till the second day.

TOP 10 QB as per walterfootball

1. Sam Bradford
2. Matthew Stafford
3. Tim Tebow
4. Mark Sanchez
5. Colt McCoy
6. Josh Freeman
7. Nathan Brown
8. Hunter Cantwell
9. Cullen Harper
10. Rudy Carpenter
    

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Cade & Rex

Cade: 16tds 19ints 66.7 qb rating 54.6% completion
Rex: 31tds 33ints 70.9% qb rating 54.3% completion

alaunaun:

According to walterfootball Bradford has leap frogged Tebow and Stafford to land at the top spot for the upcoming draft. I recant my earlier comment that Bradford should stay in school. As Top 5 money beats the hell out of later money.

The senior QBs are all getting benched so if you were hoping for a Cantwell, Harper, or Painter you can wait till the second day.

TOP 10 QB as per walterfootball

1. Sam Bradford
2. Matthew Stafford
3. Tim Tebow
4. Mark Sanchez
5. Colt McCoy
6. Josh Freeman
7. Nathan Brown
8. Hunter Cantwell
9. Cullen Harper
10. Rudy Carpenter
    

Cullen Harper got benched.
Rudy Carpenter is hurt.
Nathan Brown is short, and VERY few short QBs are successful in the NFL. Drew Brees and Doug Flutie are the only 2 that have been successful despite being short. Doug Flutie was 5'9 or 5'10 and Drew Brees is 6'0 or 6'1.
Matthew Stafford has a great arm, just doesn't have a great completion%. He reminds me of Rex Grossman only 2 inches taller.
Tim Tebow will be another failed Florida QB. NOT 1 QB that played for the Gators has been succcessful in the NFL. Rex Grossman doesn't count, he had a 23-20 TD-INT ratio, that's bad. The defense carried the team to the Super Bowl, not Rex.
Mark Sanchez will stay another year at USC. This is his first year of being the starting QB for USC.

One QB you forgot is Josh Freeman. He's got the height (6'6), he's got a great arm, and he's got mobility. He's bring compared to JaMarcus Russell.