it has to be one or the other or both

anglo hasnt drafted or got a wide reciever or qb that has all pro potential

lovie cant coach and develop players or game day management

angelo gave away thomas jones , bradley,columbo, drafted rex and benson

lovie cant tell the truth to us the fans or media

angelo cant draft a first round talent period wasting money and future

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as bear fans we must always remember
those famous words from lovie
TRUST ME I KNOW WHAT IM DOING

grizzly ol bears fan:

it has to be one or the other or both

anglo hasnt drafted or got a wide reciever or qb that has all pro potential

lovie cant coach and develop players or game day management

angelo gave away thomas jones , bradley,columbo, drafted rex and benson

lovie cant tell the truth to us the fans or media

angelo cant draft a first round talent period wasting money and future

Plenty of blame to go around.

We ARE one of the worst coached teams in the NFL, that is painfully obvious to me now.

We've wasted first day draft picks the past couple years.

The players aren't executing, appear to wallow in their mistakes and frankly some of them aren't living up to their salary demands.

Coaches, GM, players??? The answer is all three... But as the saying goes it is easier to fire the coaching staff and/or GM than a whole team of players.

BlitzinD:

grizzly ol bears fan:

it has to be one or the other or both

anglo hasnt drafted or got a wide reciever or qb that has all pro potential

lovie cant coach and develop players or game day management

angelo gave away thomas jones , bradley,columbo, drafted rex and benson

lovie cant tell the truth to us the fans or media

angelo cant draft a first round talent period wasting money and future

Plenty of blame to go around.

We ARE one of the worst coached teams in the NFL, that is painfully obvious to me now.

We've wasted first day draft picks the past couple years.

The players aren't executing, appear to wallow in their mistakes and frankly some of them aren't living up to their salary demands.

Coaches, GM, players??? The answer is all three... But as the saying goes it is easier to fire the coaching staff and/or GM than a whole team of players.

i agree players contracts are here to stay unless we bite the bullett

so fire all of um

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as bear fans we must always remember
those famous words from lovie
TRUST ME I KNOW WHAT IM DOING

Coaches failure has created the mess this season.

Lack of technique, effort, and play calling.  The players are there, they're just not being used properly.

 

Olsen has dissapeared.  Hester is a non-factor.  Payne still doesn't know how to wrap up.  Tillman and Vasher have had bad technique.  Tommie doesn't seem to be motivated.  Urlacher hasn't been getting tackles.

Briggs has been the only guy I've enjoyed watching this year.

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dbears54:

Waay to early to get excited or have "a guy".. but you know some will "fall in love with player "A" or "B".. get obsessed with it, spend 24/7 here saying if do not draft him ALL is lost( see BMW in 2005), and going from just "thinking" we should take player "A" to owning positioning and going nuts when we don't take him.
See it every year, it never makes any sense to me.. unfort its the worst part of this board come draft time

Decatur Staley:

Coaches failure has created the mess this season.

Lack of technique, effort, and play calling.  The players are there, they're just not being used properly.

 

Olsen has dissapeared.  Hester is a non-factor.  Payne still doesn't know how to wrap up.  Tillman and Vasher have had bad technique.  Tommie doesn't seem to be motivated.  Urlacher hasn't been getting tackles.

Briggs has been the only guy I've enjoyed watching this year.

You couldn't have enjoyed the last game versus the Vikings though? Briggs was horrible in that game....

Toby:

Decatur Staley:

Coaches failure has created the mess this season.

Lack of technique, effort, and play calling.  The players are there, they're just not being used properly.

 

Olsen has dissapeared.  Hester is a non-factor.  Payne still doesn't know how to wrap up.  Tillman and Vasher have had bad technique.  Tommie doesn't seem to be motivated.  Urlacher hasn't been getting tackles.

Briggs has been the only guy I've enjoyed watching this year.

You couldn't have enjoyed the last game versus the Vikings though? Briggs was horrible in that game....

Briggs was great in the game against the Vikings.  He shut Peterson down except for one play.

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dbears54:

Waay to early to get excited or have "a guy".. but you know some will "fall in love with player "A" or "B".. get obsessed with it, spend 24/7 here saying if do not draft him ALL is lost( see BMW in 2005), and going from just "thinking" we should take player "A" to owning positioning and going nuts when we don't take him.
See it every year, it never makes any sense to me.. unfort its the worst part of this board come draft time

The failure of this seasons lies at the feet of Lovie Smith.  The play calling has been poor at best and at times criminal.  Although he does not call the plays, he is responsible for the OC.  It is hard for me to comprehend the complete failure at clock management this season.  The mistakes on the offense and clock management are ones that I would expect to see at the high school level.  If we had decent play calling and clock management we would have one at least two more games this year.

 

The problem I have with JA is the ruining of Devin Hester.  He was the single most dangerous KR and PR in the history of the NFL and we have chosen to use him and something his is not, a WR.  Yes he has scored a few times, but he had more returns for TD last year returning kicks than he has WR touchdowns this year.  He was a game changer last year.  This year he is a 3rd wr.

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Metal all the time.


MilwaukeePhil

NO MATTER JUST WAS BOTH ... WHY THEY WAS TALK BOTH MISTAKE ALOT WRONG NOT WORKOUT WHO BLAME SAY BOTH . I KNEW MORE POINT THAT......

It starts and ends with Angelo.  He hired/extended Lovie, and has made far too many bad 1st day draft picks.

Jauronstedt:

It starts and ends with Angelo.  He hired/extended Lovie, and has made far too many bad 1st day draft picks.

i agree he extended his contract that was horrible

and not far behind is lovie for all the reasons stated

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as bear fans we must always remember
those famous words from lovie
TRUST ME I KNOW WHAT IM DOING

Lovie's a good coach

You have to blame JA, although he is good at finding players in later rounds and can draft defense, he really screwed up the Bears chances after the super bowl season...The Bears have a very good team that went to the super bowl so what does he do?..He changes up everything...
              1) He gets rid of Thomas Jones, the biggest part of the offense and a huge reason the Bears won games
              2)gets rid of Tank Johnson...say what you want but he was a solid player and a starter
              3) this might be Lovies fault, but they had Mark Anderson start over Alex Brown, as a pass rushing specialist as a rookie he had 12 sacks and Alex Brown was a very good player every down, when Anderson started he wasn't nearly as effective
              4) after the super bowl, he did nothing at all to make the Bears a better team...he made decisions that hurt the team greatly.

I think we have some talent but the secret is how do you develop them. We need coaches who are grounded in the fundamentals and have a little vision.

grizzly ol bears fan:

Jauronstedt:

It starts and ends with Angelo.  He hired/extended Lovie, and has made far too many bad 1st day draft picks.

i agree he extended his contract that was horrible

and not far behind is lovie for all the reasons stated

Yeah lets blame JA for extending Lovies contract the year the bears went to the super bowl. Even if JA held off till the end of last year he still would have been offered a big contract. JA can only see and judge what was accomplished in the past through the present, not the future. Who honestly could have seen the drop off of this team the last two years due to coaching?

You guys blame JA for first round busts, but he evens it out with the rest of the draft. Finding middle too late round gems saves us cap space every year by being able to let players go and still keeping the team competitive each year.

I think the blame falls on Lovie and his coordinators. The team is soft and not disciplined. Poor execution on offense with a predictable play caller with no imagination.
Babich is Lovies boy and seems to be content on going down with him as it was with Jauron and Shoop.

JAs problem is that he doesnt get enough involved. He did this with Jauron and now again with Lovie. So to put the blame on him is unfair IMOP.

  Blame JA all you want but Lovie picked this coaching staff. Lovie is the one who makes the choice of who plays and who doesn't and also how they play the D scheme wich I refer to as bend but don't win.

   The main difference between 2006 and now i

s Lovie not JA fired Rivera to bring in Babich and the D never recovered

   As far as JA giving players away no gm is going to give away any player that the coach tells him to keep. So once again look to Lovie and his crew of no talent coaches who can't evaluate talent to save their souls. You can't keep them if the coach won't play them. To point this out just look at all the ex bear players our coaching staff felt weren't good enough to play for them. And yet other team coaches found space for them.many as starters.

   If you give Lovie and this staff Manning and TO they will give you Rex and Rashied Davis back

Decatur Staley:

Toby:

Decatur Staley:

Coaches failure has created the mess this season.

Lack of technique, effort, and play calling.  The players are there, they're just not being used properly.

 

Olsen has dissapeared.  Hester is a non-factor.  Payne still doesn't know how to wrap up.  Tillman and Vasher have had bad technique.  Tommie doesn't seem to be motivated.  Urlacher hasn't been getting tackles.

Briggs has been the only guy I've enjoyed watching this year.

You couldn't have enjoyed the last game versus the Vikings though? Briggs was horrible in that game....

Briggs was great in the game against the Vikings.  He shut Peterson down except for one play.

I guess I'll have to re-watch it again as I seen him miss more then one play. If memory serves me correctly he missed the Chester Taylor run and the 59 yard run by Peterson. I know there were a few more plays as well... Granted you can't make all the plays but Hunter Hillenmeyer has been torn apart for less.... 

so who is more at fault angelo or lovie? or both?

 

 

 

   I say both  and would also deflect some of the  blame to the  front office  and ownership of this organization  as well

 

 

 

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BlitzinD:

Plenty of blame to go around.

We ARE one of the worst coached teams in the NFL, that is painfully obvious to me now.

We've wasted first day draft picks the past couple years.

The players aren't executing, appear to wallow in their mistakes and frankly some of them aren't living up to their salary demands.

Coaches, GM, players??? The answer is all three... But as the saying goes it is easier to fire the coaching staff and/or GM than a whole team of players.

Hit the nail in the head with that one. I agree if we aren't the worst coached then we are the worst at making decisions with players and their abilities.

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Good teams find ways to win games. Bad teams find ways to lose them.

THELACH54:

Lovie's a good coach

You have to blame JA, although he is good at finding players in later rounds and can draft defense, he really screwed up the Bears chances after the super bowl season...The Bears have a very good team that went to the super bowl so what does he do?..He changes up everything...
              1) He gets rid of Thomas Jones, the biggest part of the offense and a huge reason the Bears won games
              2)gets rid of Tank Johnson...say what you want but he was a solid player and a starter
              3) this might be Lovies fault, but they had Mark Anderson start over Alex Brown, as a pass rushing specialist as a rookie he had 12 sacks and Alex Brown was a very good player every down, when Anderson started he wasn't nearly as effective
              4) after the super bowl, he did nothing at all to make the Bears a better team...he made decisions that hurt the team greatly.

Umm, wait you know that Lovie probably has the final say as the coach right? I'm sorry but most of this goes on Lovie - why cause he is the one making the decisions in the trenches? Was it JA that went for a 4th  straight same play though it didnt work the other 3 times? Was it JA that let a QB come back too early and didnt take him out until the last 6:00 minutes on the clock when it was visible that your QB was too shaken from the first play?

  Is it JA who decided to put back in Hester for a KR and whine when again he only got 5 yards?

Sorry this is more on the coaches to me cause look at the talent we have, we are easier a 500+ plus ball club. This is on bad preparation, bad excecution and bad design and that is on the coaches not the GM unless the GM doesnt change the coaches to resolve the problem.

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Good teams find ways to win games. Bad teams find ways to lose them.

Since Angelo is responsible for Lovie, it should be obvious where more fault lies.

they both have to go

I blame Lovie more.  Getting rid of Rivera was just plain stupid.  The Defense was rock solid for his tenure here, and we just went to the Superbowl. 

As far as Angelo is concerned... He should have put up a stink about keeping Rivera.  Paying the players?  I agree with.  They performed well and deserved to be rewarded.  Who knew that they would hit a brick wall. People were claiming Harris was the best player on this team for a while.   Briggs still rocks.  Urlacher... is still the face of our franchise. Hester... definately deserved to be paid after his impact the last two seasons.

Hindsight is always 20/20 in that regard

Angelo, without doubt.  It starts at the top.

J.A. is the one that refuses to invest any money in the offensive side of the football.  Then when the offensive inevitably sucks, everyone blames the OC.  Meanwhile he forks over hefty contracts to defensive players that are either past their primes (Urlacher), or have injury concerns (Harris) without thinking twice.  This franchise will never move forward until offense is considered just as much of a priority as defense.

And even if you do want to blame Lovie Smith...  who hired him?  Who was responsible for extending him and paying him his $$$ after 1 good season?  A season in which all of his coaching flaws were neatly covered up by a dominating defense, ridiculous field position, and our defense and special teams scoring as much as some team's offenses scored.