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Reload for the 2009 Superbowl: 4 major areas to address

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  •  12-04-2008, 4:12 PM 1343145 in reply to 1343116

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    are you saying you're not going to pay full price for a Rashied Davis replica jersey? 

    I think your grandparents will be disappointed knowing you weren't backing this future hall of famer.....or was that David Terrell, I get them mixed up.

     

  •  12-04-2008, 4:25 PM 1343170 in reply to 1343116

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    I agree with some of the OP's assessment.

    On offense, they need a proven veteran QB and also to start grooming a young QB.

    They need a #1 receiver.

    They need to replace Garza and get some bodies in line to replace Tait and Kreutz.  The left side of the line should be fine with Williams and Beekman.  I think Kreutz is playing pretty good this season, more like his old self.  And Tait is playing pretty good too.  Forte has had some nice runs going off tackle on Taits side.  Forte is averaging 4.2 yards running to the right and 3.6 yards to the left.

    On defense they need a pass rushing defensive end and a strong side linebacker who can blitz.  I really think the defense would be fine with the addition of those two type of players.

  •  12-04-2008, 4:26 PM 1343173 in reply to 1343116

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    Broc is a bit extreme but usually on the right idea.

    Changes I would make
    1. Say goodbye to Babich - Anyone else wonder where Anderson has been? How do you go from being a guy who has 10+ sacks your rookie year to a guy who's all but disappeared? The common denominator is Babich. I really don't think I have to explain this one. The defense has regressed terribly under him. If Samurai Mike doesn't get the HC job in San Fran. at least interview the guy for a DC position. I'm not one of those guys who's rah-rah about him for our HC because he's proven little. But a step up to DC from LB coach isn't that far fetched. And there is honestly no way he can be worse than Babich.

    2. Say goodbye to Turner - This is another no brainer. As Coach Z pointed out in a recent thread, Turner has never had a top 10 offense. He had 1 good year with Kramer and 1 good year with Grossman in all his years here. The rest of the time we hovered around 20th in the league all this time wasting a good defense. Its no wonder Orton plays better in the no huddle. Isn't it obvious to everyone now? An average QB is better at calling plays than our OC. Personally, I'd like to see someone off Denver's staff. They have a history of turning anyone into a good RB and they've developed Cutler into a decent QB.

    3. Fix the offensive line - Its a wonder how Forte is as good as he is. In the next two years we have to get rid of Olin, Garza and Tait. With other big needs this offseason I don't see how we can get rid of them all. Let's start with Tait. He's going to be making 5 mil next year. He must be cut. Miller will obviously be let go as well. With St. Clair up for FA, we have 0 depth and still need a starter. So, for a short term stop gap, I think you resign St. Clair and move him to RT. In the draft you pick up a guy to groom/replace him in camp. This way, we aren't forced to pick up a bum like Miller when our depth goes to poo.

    As for Garza, I can see this going either way. If Buenning is evaluated to be "a starter," ditch garza. If not, you keep him. You can say the same for Olin. One of the two has to stay no matter what because our depth is for poo. Eventually, I see Beekman moving to C. If Buenning can hack it we could cut Olin or Garza and play Garza Beekman and Buenning on the interior or Beekman Olin Buenning. In the draft we need an early guard possibly 2.

    4. Address the pass rush or lack there of - It might just be Babich frankly. But we have 0 pass rush and it gets our secondary killed.

    5. Address the FS position - I would like to see us trade a 5th round pick for a guy like Michael Huff to play FS. Payne and Brown both play better at SS. Huff may look like a bust to Oakland fans but then who doesn't on their team? And for a 5th round pick you're getting a 6'1 220 lb guy with 4.4 speed. That's less risky than a third round pick.

    6. Address the WR position - I don't think this is as bad as some because we play with 2 TE's often. But we need a true #1. Lloyd/Hester can be the #2 and Bennett is fine as a #3/4.

    If we do most of this, we will be a much better team.

  •  12-04-2008, 4:43 PM 1343214 in reply to 1343145

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    I gotta head home and just moved into a new place so I don't have internet back up yet so I'll check this and respond to some posts tomorrow morning. 

  •  12-04-2008, 4:50 PM 1343229 in reply to 1343214

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    Agree 100% with the OP.  I would love to see McNabb play for the Bears.  Would be a great signing, he's still a lot better than what we have, and I know he would love to play here.

    The entire post is spot on too.

    5 things for a successful 2009

    1) Sign top end FA WR
    2) Draft QB
    3) Draft free safety
    4) Replace Babich
    5) If Babich replaced and Lovie insists on no changes to defensive scheme, replace Lovie

  •  12-04-2008, 5:37 PM 1343289 in reply to 1343057

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    great write up! I say Broc for GM.
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  •  12-04-2008, 5:40 PM 1343293 in reply to 1342986

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    Broc:
    If this franchise is truly serious about getting back to the Superbowl next year (and given how this organization has been run lately that's a pretty big "IF")...  but if they are then some serious changes and bold moves are going to have to be made if they want to make a legitimate run at actually winning a Superbowl next year... and not just do it lip service while actually "rebuilding".

    In no particular order, the 4 things I feel that are needed to reload this team for a Superbowl run next season....

    1.  Stop living in DENIAL:  Earth to Halas Hall, come in...  this is reality speaking...  Neither Rex Grossman or Kyle Orton are franchise QB's.  Please stop wasting anymore valuable time trying to win the Indy 500 with a Geo Metro and Ford F-150 .  McNabb is inevitably going to be run out of Philly.  Use some of the cap space we all know we'll have plenty off this offseason and bring McNabb home to Chicago for a short 2-3 year deal giving you time to properly develop the heir apparent (Hanie or whoever we might draft). 

    2.  Coaching Accountability:  Turner has no business coaching in any compasity on any professional football team anywhere, end of story, period.  Stop being cheap and settling for 2nd rate hacks because you can get them for peanuts and they're buddies with previous ties to the org.  Or for that matter because they're BFF's with the head coach.  So yeah, Babich that means you too.  See ya.  Thanks for blitzing more than anyone in the league despite being one of the worst blitzing teams ever witnessed.  Brilliant.  If Lovie is unwilling to pull the trigger and free this team of the dead weight then send him packing as well.  We need a competent coaching staff that is going to give this team the best chance to win, not continually put it behind the 8-ball losing the coaching chess match week after week putting our players in ridiculously stupid positions to be unsuccessful and then scratch their heads and say they don't know and can't figure out what the problem is.  Gee guys do you even watch the games your coaching?  If the Dolphins can go from 1-15 to legit post season contenders in one season with an entirely new staff I'm pretty sure we can bring in a new staff and get this team right back into the SB hunt with some coaches who aren't mentally disabled. 

    3.  Fix the Friggin trenches:  Our OL is undersized, gets routinely manhandled at the point of attack, and is maybe the worst downfield blockers in space I've ever seen.  Olin is a shell of his former self and needs to be replaced.  Tait is on his last legs.  St Clair should not be starting and if I have to watch Garza get blown up by any more strong safteys I'm going to puke.  You better pray to God Williams doesn't turn out to be a bust else we're F'd even more so than we already are.  It is vital that the OL get address with another draft pick or two and/or FA signing.  Defensively, we need to find another pass rusher so we can stop having to rely on our god awful blitzing to generate pressure.  Make a run at Peppers or Suggs... something!  ANYTHING!  Drafting another Dan Bauzin isn't going to help. 

    4.  Skill positions, stop the PR and EGO bullshat:      Sorry, but the Rashied Davis training camp superstar PR crap you spewed out during the summer... yeah, nobody is buying that crap.  Davis barely deserves to work the slot much less the #1.  Hester can be a #2 but of course requires a competent coaching staff to actually utilize him correctly.  And please for the love of God stop putting perfectly good WR's in the doghouse over petty ego battles with the coaching staff.  First Bradley now Lloyd.  Where does it end?  Give Drake the boot and get a real legit #1 WR in here.  Spend the $ for Boldin or CJ who you could probably scoop up on the cheap.  All we really need is a one legit #1 guy to round out the wr core. 

    Feel free to add you're own or expound on any of mine. 
    we win the super bowl this year

  •  12-04-2008, 6:38 PM 1343360 in reply to 1343145

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    who is OP?

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  •  12-04-2008, 6:46 PM 1343370 in reply to 1343360

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    broughtupbears:

    who is OP?

    Original Poster

    "Or... you can grow a conscience in the next five minutes and see where that takes you. " - Me

  •  12-04-2008, 8:47 PM 1343486 in reply to 1343370

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    IF I were Jerry Angelo here's what I'd do:

    #1 - Fire Bob Babich and hire Rod Marinelli who will likely be fired by Detroit. He'd work better as a DC than a HC he has fire and passion plus he can coach. Just ask Derrick Brooks.

    #2 - I would re-sign Kyle Orton to a 4 year deal.

    #3 - Sign the following free agents:

          *  Marc Colombo to be your starting RT

          *  TJ Houzmahnzada to be your #1 WR

          *  JP Losman as your new back up QB

    #4 - Chris Williams will start at LT, Josh Beekman at LG, and Dan Buennin at RG next to Colombo at RT

    #5 - The first 4 rounds in the draft will go like this:

          * 1st Round - WR Darrius Hayward-Bey WR Maryland

          * 2nd Round - DE George Selvie DE South Florida

          * 3rd Round - OT Alex Boone OT from Ohio State

           * 4th Round - FS/SS Dereck Pegues SS Mississippi State

  •  12-04-2008, 11:40 PM 1343613 in reply to 1343140

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    i like everything except getting McNabb, i like the last thing we need is an overrated QB on the downside of his career.

  •  12-05-2008, 12:34 AM 1343663 in reply to 1343486

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    That sounds pretty darn good.
    "The pioneers take the arrows."

  •  12-05-2008, 12:49 AM 1343669 in reply to 1343140

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    Broc....I agree with most of your post but Mc Nabb is not the answer AND I like the man. We need HOGS on the OL periodddddddddddddd. Any QB can do the job if you give him a little space. You get the OL and Matt only gets better which in turn will help Ort given we get a WR.

  •  12-05-2008, 9:48 AM 1343998 in reply to 1343669

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    olderbear:
    Broc....I agree with most of your post but Mc Nabb is not the answer AND I like the man. We need HOGS on the OL periodddddddddddddd. Any QB can do the job if you give him a little space. You get the OL and Matt only gets better which in turn will help Ort given we get a WR.


    I understand where you're coming from.  I've dogged out McNabb for years as one of my good buddies is a huge Eagles fan and I absolutely can't stand them.  So believe me it pains me to make a case for the guy after years of ridiculing him. 

    But that said, I think honestly believe that if your goal as a franchise is to win a Superbowl next year JA has to make some drastic moves to improve this team in a hurry.  The core of this team is built to win NOW.

    Orton has been figured out just like Grossman and we're only going to see the same rollercoaster performance out of him that we've seen out of Grossman since the AZ game.  In my opinion both guys are backup quality talents at this point.  With this current coaching staff they have zero chance of long term success.  Maybe with a different coaching staff they would be starter quality but still the chances aren't high in my opinion. 

    So at this point I'd rather see the franchise wash their hands of both of them and bring in an established vet who can put this team over the top and give us 2, maybe 3 solid years while we groom someone to take over (Hanie maybe? or whoever we draft? I don't really care).

    Maybe with McNabb in the fold we can actually entice a guy like Boldin to WANT to come here.  Maybe with McNabb in the fold a guy like Harris will actually feel like playing hard ALL season long.  Maybe with McNabb in the fold he can convince the coaching staff to use Hester like they use DeSean Jackson.  Etc.

    Personally I think the guy still has at least 2 more years left of high level play in him.  I also believe that if Philly runs him out he's going to have a monster season for whoever he plays for next year just to spite the Eagles and their stupid fans.  It's just bound to happen.  I'd like that monster season to happen in a Chicago uniform.  It should be easy to fix the OL if JA takes his head out of his rear. 

    I dunno, I just like the possibilites a whole lot more than I do with Orton.  

  •  12-05-2008, 9:59 AM 1344033 in reply to 1343998

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    As for Mcnabb, he may or may not be available. He played well last week and they love him again. I think we can win with Orton but we can't be delusional. The guy is a good back up QB.He's not a starter. And as such, you have to put talent around him in order for us to win.

    I would start with the line. By giving the team a good line you not only give him longer in the pocket but you also allow forte to run which helps enormously. If we can boost Forte's yards per carry 1 yard we're talking a major change in field position on most drives. Those 2nd and 7 runs become 3rd and 3 instead of 3rd and 4 or 5.

    Then you get the defense and special teams right. We do that and we should be a decent contender in the playoffs. I mean that's all we did differently in 2006. Grossman wasn't anymore consistent than Orton.

    Eventually we do need a replacement though. So, I'd like to see us draft someone in the third round. I know we have Hanie but we need to knock this out. Make sure it is finally done.

  •  12-05-2008, 10:06 AM 1344051 in reply to 1343140

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    Glad to see people finally getting off the Orton crack or sack or neckbeard...

    Rex is gone after this season. He's not worth begging for and that's the only way he would come back....the fans and media strung him up and will never admit they were wrong...or at least unfairly critical....

    We need to draft a new QB, and try to develop the O-line and WRs for now and make a few swap-outs on defense (hopefully unloading salary too)...

    Hanie will be no drop-off from Orton. Anybody can play mediocre .500 ball with a point lead and good field position given by a top tier defense and ball control that comes with a top tier running back.....

  •  12-05-2008, 10:36 AM 1344131 in reply to 1344051

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    The Hunted:

    Glad to see people finally getting off the Orton crack or sack or neckbeard...

    Rex is gone after this season. He's not worth begging for and that's the only way he would come back....the fans and media strung him up and will never admit they were wrong...or at least unfairly critical....

    We need to draft a new QB, and try to develop the O-line and WRs for now and make a few swap-outs on defense (hopefully unloading salary too)...

    Hanie will be no drop-off from Orton. Anybody can play mediocre .500 ball with a point lead and good field position given by a top tier defense and ball control that comes with a top tier running back.....



    Hard to get on a bandwagon that never really got going lol.  Not sure why people were getting all hyped about Orton in the first place.  Personally I find the irony of the entire situation hilarious.  The same folks who ridiculed the Grossman fanatics for getting way to invested in Grossman after his '06 start did the same exact thing with Orton after his I don't even know what you want to call it '08 campaign.  Gotta love it. 

    But honestly how do you describe Orton's season? 

    Indy = didn't have to do much.
    Car = needed to do something, didn't deliver.
    TB =  outplayed by Griese, Grossman-esque pick 6, didn't deliver in the clutch.
    Philly = "good" game?, 3 TD 2 INT? 
    Detroit = finally a legitamately good game but again it's the lions we're talking about here
    Atl = sucks 1st half, good 2nd half
    Minn = another legit good game, ok so thats 2 now.
    GB = garbage but "injury" excuse comes into play even though if you're going to make that excuse he should have never even let himself play in the first place as he only ended up hurting the team more
    STL = average game, again the Rams are pretty awful.
    Minn = complete Grossman-esque meltdown game, no excuses

    How on earth do you watch this season and think "Man that guy deserves a huge franchise crippling contract" ?  I have no idea. 

  •  12-05-2008, 10:54 AM 1344173 in reply to 1344131

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      * 1st Round - WR Darrius Hayward-Bey WR Maryland

    Hope you are right may even get trade down and still get him, maybe.

    I'd rather talk to that guy, I know I'm smarter than that sonofab***h ! Mike Ditka.

  •  12-05-2008, 11:03 AM 1344188 in reply to 1344173

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    If we win the division we have Giants at soldier field next season as well as Steelers, other than that schedule good for us based on this seasons play.
    I'd rather talk to that guy, I know I'm smarter than that sonofab***h ! Mike Ditka.

  •  12-05-2008, 11:56 AM 1344322 in reply to 1344188

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    I agree with most of what you said Broc, except McNabb. Please, please, plaese NO McNabb.

    We don't need a guy who caves on his team the way McNabb has this season... frankly we have enough of those already. Get Orton some better WRs (and a new OC) and he can hold the fort until we find that elusive "franchise QB".

  •  12-05-2008, 12:05 PM 1344340 in reply to 1344131

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    Broc:
    The Hunted:

    Glad to see people finally getting off the Orton crack or sack or neckbeard...

    Rex is gone after this season. He's not worth begging for and that's the only way he would come back....the fans and media strung him up and will never admit they were wrong...or at least unfairly critical....

    We need to draft a new QB, and try to develop the O-line and WRs for now and make a few swap-outs on defense (hopefully unloading salary too)...

    Hanie will be no drop-off from Orton. Anybody can play mediocre .500 ball with a point lead and good field position given by a top tier defense and ball control that comes with a top tier running back.....



    Hard to get on a bandwagon that never really got going lol.  Not sure why people were getting all hyped about Orton in the first place.  Personally I find the irony of the entire situation hilarious.  The same folks who ridiculed the Grossman fanatics for getting way to invested in Grossman after his '06 start did the same exact thing with Orton after his I don't even know what you want to call it '08 campaign.  Gotta love it. 

    But honestly how do you describe Orton's season? 

    Indy = didn't have to do much.
    Car = needed to do something, didn't deliver.
    TB =  outplayed by Griese, Grossman-esque pick 6, didn't deliver in the clutch.
    Philly = "good" game?, 3 TD 2 INT? 
    Detroit = finally a legitamately good game but again it's the lions we're talking about here
    Atl = sucks 1st half, good 2nd half
    Minn = another legit good game, ok so thats 2 now.
    GB = garbage but "injury" excuse comes into play even though if you're going to make that excuse he should have never even let himself play in the first place as he only ended up hurting the team more
    STL = average game, again the Rams are pretty awful.
    Minn = complete Grossman-esque meltdown game, no excuses

    How on earth do you watch this season and think "Man that guy deserves a huge franchise crippling contract" ?  I have no idea. 

    I coudln't have described it better myself.

    Only difference I would point out is that Grossman torched N.O. and Seattle to get us to the SUPERBOWL after a 13-3 regular season. I'll give it to you that the defense was probably better than today, but there's a big difference when your offense is putting you up early in games (like in '06) and the defense can get after the QB versus waiting until the 4th Qtr to score points and making your defense hold steady the whole game (like this year). In 2006 we didn't have Tommie or MB for the second half or playoffs either...

    Rex got benched 3 games after the SuperBowl. Orton has taken us NoWhere and has had 3 bad games and is still sitting pretty (figure of speech...)

  •  12-05-2008, 12:48 PM 1344425 in reply to 1342986

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    Broc:
    If this franchise is truly serious about getting back to the Superbowl next year (and given how this organization has been run lately that's a pretty big "IF")...  but if they are then some serious changes and bold moves are going to have to be made if they want to make a legitimate run at actually winning a Superbowl next year... and not just do it lip service while actually "rebuilding".

    In no particular order, the 4 things I feel that are needed to reload this team for a Superbowl run next season....

    1.  Stop living in DENIAL:  Earth to Halas Hall, come in...  this is reality speaking...  Neither Rex Grossman or Kyle Orton are franchise QB's.  Please stop wasting anymore valuable time trying to win the Indy 500 with a Geo Metro and Ford F-150 .  McNabb is inevitably going to be run out of Philly.  Use some of the cap space we all know we'll have plenty off this offseason and bring McNabb home to Chicago for a short 2-3 year deal giving you time to properly develop the heir apparent (Hanie or whoever we might draft). 

    2.  Coaching Accountability:  Turner has no business coaching in any compasity on any professional football team anywhere, end of story, period.  Stop being cheap and settling for 2nd rate hacks because you can get them for peanuts and they're buddies with previous ties to the org.  Or for that matter because they're BFF's with the head coach.  So yeah, Babich that means you too.  See ya.  Thanks for blitzing more than anyone in the league despite being one