Screw political correctness, it's gone way overboard. I always try to be respectful but I don't need anyone telling me what or what I can't say.

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bearmick:

Decatur Staley:

bearmick:

Why are white males so uptight about being asked to just take a second to try and use non-offensive terminology when referring to people different to them?  Do they really feel so persecuted and opressed over this?

Why are white males the only ones expected to follow said political correctness?

I don't think they should be.  A purposeful, basic attempt not to offend people should be a courtesy everyone should extend.

You might have that standard, but many don't and thats why "white males" get annoyed.  In New York there are to many cases were a black man or teen is beat by a white man or a group of whiye man and its automaticily a hate crime, but hardly ever a hate crime the other way around.  In the 90's a couple of whiteboys chased a blackman and calling him the normal racist word into traffic where he was hit and died. They were charge with mansluter and a hate crime. Rightfully so.  About 2 yrs ago a group of blackteens chased a white kid in harlem screaming whitey go home, and we going to get you cracker. He also ran into traffic and was killed.  No hate crime. Now you can say white people use to get away with stuff like this all the time, but if we are suppose to be at a point were we treat everyone equal then this cant happen. It just cause Hostilitys on both sides even more

bearbeav:

bearmick:

Decatur Staley:

bearmick:

Why are white males so uptight about being asked to just take a second to try and use non-offensive terminology when referring to people different to them?  Do they really feel so persecuted and opressed over this?

Why are white males the only ones expected to follow said political correctness?

I don't think they should be.  A purposeful, basic attempt not to offend people should be a courtesy everyone should extend.

You might have that standard, but many don't and thats why "white males" get annoyed.  In New York there are to many cases were a black man or teen is beat by a white man or a group of whiye man and its automaticily a hate crime, but hardly ever a hate crime the other way around.  In the 90's a couple of whiteboys chased a blackman and calling him the normal racist word into traffic where he was hit and died. They were charge with mansluter and a hate crime. Rightfully so.  About 2 yrs ago a group of blackteens chased a white kid in harlem screaming whitey go home, and we going to get you cracker. He also ran into traffic and was killed.  No hate crime. Now you can say white people use to get away with stuff like this all the time, but if we are suppose to be at a point were we treat everyone equal then this cant happen. It just cause Hostilitys on both sides even more

It's the typical double standard.

onebud34:

Mozart1220:

onebud34:

Political correctness is overrated

Courtesy and respect is not.

They are not directly related.

They can be. 

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Silvertonlovesdabears:

bearmick:

Silvertonlovesdabears:

bearmick:

Why are white males so uptight about being asked to just take a second to try and use non-offensive terminology when referring to people different to them?  Do they really feel so persecuted and opressed over this?

Why do non white males bash white males and play the race card?

I can't really speak for black males, Silverton, I don't know.  Maybe if one of our black posters sees this thread they'll answer that question.

Why does Mick continuously bait white males?

Greater gullibility.  

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Religion and sex are power plays
Manipulate the people for the money they pay
Selling skin, selling God
The numbers look the same on their credit cards
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Decatur Staley:

bearmick:

Decatur Staley:

bearmick:

Why are white males so uptight about being asked to just take a second to try and use non-offensive terminology when referring to people different to them?  Do they really feel so persecuted and opressed over this?

Why are white males the only ones expected to follow said political correctness?

I don't think they should be.  A purposeful, basic attempt not to offend people should be a courtesy everyone should extend.

I've got no problem with that... but I would argue that white males are held to a higher standard of expectations for political correctness.

Which might explain why some feel overly persecuted over PC'ness.

In our society, white males have always been at the top of the cultural food chain, which is probably why the have the highest expecations to be better in that regard, and minorities who have had a history of being disadvantaged are cut more breaks.

I see the logic in that and don't really have a problem with it. 

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Silvertonlovesdabears:

bearbeav:

bearmick:

Decatur Staley:

bearmick:

Why are white males so uptight about being asked to just take a second to try and use non-offensive terminology when referring to people different to them?  Do they really feel so persecuted and opressed over this?

Why are white males the only ones expected to follow said political correctness?

I don't think they should be.  A purposeful, basic attempt not to offend people should be a courtesy everyone should extend.

You might have that standard, but many don't and thats why "white males" get annoyed.  In New York there are to many cases were a black man or teen is beat by a white man or a group of whiye man and its automaticily a hate crime, but hardly ever a hate crime the other way around.  In the 90's a couple of whiteboys chased a blackman and calling him the normal racist word into traffic where he was hit and died. They were charge with mansluter and a hate crime. Rightfully so.  About 2 yrs ago a group of blackteens chased a white kid in harlem screaming whitey go home, and we going to get you cracker. He also ran into traffic and was killed.  No hate crime. Now you can say white people use to get away with stuff like this all the time, but if we are suppose to be at a point were we treat everyone equal then this cant happen. It just cause Hostilitys on both sides even more

It's the typical double standard.

It's not a double standard.  See my post to Decatur Staley directly above this post.

 

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Mick...would you be okay if a minority addressed another minority in a non-PC greeting?

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onebud34:

Mick...would you be okay if a minority addressed another minority in a non-PC greeting?

I think I've already addressed that, onebud.

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Political correctness is one of the many reasons why this country has gone downhill.  If people let words offend them, I say...get a freakin backbone, grow up or get lost. Sticks and stones might break my bones but words will never hurt me.

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bearmick:

onebud34:

Mick...would you be okay if a minority addressed another minority in a non-PC greeting?

I think I've already addressed that, onebud.

I guess I phrased that wrong. If you were the minority and they addressed themselves in the worst possible way would be the scenario. As in you were the only one that could take offense to it. Would it be a situation where you would tell these people that it's not PC and not cool.

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I don't really see the importance of PC as it relates to this thread. I don't believe most people care if they or theirs are referred to in a most PC way but rather just want to be treated in a respectful manner. What we all learned as kids still holds true, treat others as you yourself would like to be treated. Whether they are a different color, race, religion, or whatever should not matter.

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You summed it up pretty good Spartan

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onebud34:

bearmick:

onebud34:

Mick...would you be okay if a minority addressed another minority in a non-PC greeting?

I think I've already addressed that, onebud.

I guess I phrased that wrong. If you were the minority and they addressed themselves in the worst possible way would be the scenario. As in you were the only one that could take offense to it. Would it be a situation where you would tell these people that it's not PC and not cool.

I think you just made your question it a little less clear.  Mick you said its not a double standard because White males were always on top, so now they kind of have to sux it up a lil.  Is that the basiclly your arguement.  Ill agree with we were and minority's were treated wrong.  That was a double standard just like now its a double standard the other way. Now you  might call that equaling out, or something we got to deal with because of the past, but I think intill there are no double standards on either side, nothings going to change.  Someone is always going to feel like they r getting a raw deal.  Do you agree with that logic?

bearmick:

Decatur Staley:

bearmick:

Decatur Staley:

bearmick:

Why are white males so uptight about being asked to just take a second to try and use non-offensive terminology when referring to people different to them?  Do they really feel so persecuted and opressed over this?

Why are white males the only ones expected to follow said political correctness?

I don't think they should be.  A purposeful, basic attempt not to offend people should be a courtesy everyone should extend.

I've got no problem with that... but I would argue that white males are held to a higher standard of expectations for political correctness.

Which might explain why some feel overly persecuted over PC'ness.

In our society, white males have always been at the top of the cultural food chain, which is probably why the have the highest expecations to be better in that regard, and minorities who have had a history of being disadvantaged are cut more breaks.

I see the logic in that and don't really have a problem with it. 

When white males are a minority, then it follows that you think they should be afforded hiring quotas or other mechanisms for their advantage then right?

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onebud34:

You summed it up pretty good Spartan

Not really b/c people like to be treated differently.  "Treat others as you'd like to be treated" is kind of simplistic and dumb IMO.

kansascomet:

bearmick:

Decatur Staley:

bearmick:

Decatur Staley:

bearmick:

Why are white males so uptight about being asked to just take a second to try and use non-offensive terminology when referring to people different to them?  Do they really feel so persecuted and opressed over this?

Why are white males the only ones expected to follow said political correctness?

I don't think they should be.  A purposeful, basic attempt not to offend people should be a courtesy everyone should extend.

I've got no problem with that... but I would argue that white males are held to a higher standard of expectations for political correctness.

Which might explain why some feel overly persecuted over PC'ness.

In our society, white males have always been at the top of the cultural food chain, which is probably why the have the highest expecations to be better in that regard, and minorities who have had a history of being disadvantaged are cut more breaks.

I see the logic in that and don't really have a problem with it. 

When white males are a minority, then it follows that you think they should be afforded hiring quotas or other mechanisms for their advantage then right?

I dont agree with hiring quotas even now.

 

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Spartan:

I don't really see the importance of PC as it relates to this thread. I don't believe most people care if they or theirs are referred to in a most PC way but rather just want to be treated in a respectful manner. What we all learned as kids still holds true, treat others as you yourself would like to be treated. Whether they are a different color, race, religion, or whatever should not matter.

Exactly, if everyone did this there wouldnt be any talk about PC corectness.

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bearbeav:

onebud34:

bearmick:

onebud34:

Mick...would you be okay if a minority addressed another minority in a non-PC greeting?

I think I've already addressed that, onebud.

I guess I phrased that wrong. If you were the minority and they addressed themselves in the worst possible way would be the scenario. As in you were the only one that could take offense to it. Would it be a situation where you would tell these people that it's not PC and not cool.

I think you just made your question it a little less clear.  Mick you said its not a double standard because White males were always on top, so now they kind of have to sux it up a lil.  Is that the basiclly your arguement.  Ill agree with we were and minority's were treated wrong.  That was a double standard just like now its a double standard the other way. Now you  might call that equaling out, or something we got to deal with because of the past, but I think intill there are no double standards on either side, nothings going to change.  Someone is always going to feel like they r getting a raw deal.  Do you agree with that logic?

I see that logic...but hmm...it's hard for me to explain this with text.

You're good friends with a minority race. They're your bud's. There is a mutual acceptance....they address each other in a certain way...by using the "n" word. And you address them in your normal "white guy" way. For me it's a handshake. Now...after the greeting does it pop into anyone's mind, that if it wasn't you 3 or 4 and you were around a different group of people, would you speak up and say something that it might be offensive to others.

 

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Decatur Staley:

onebud34:

You summed it up pretty good Spartan

Not really b/c people like to be treated differently.  "Treat others as you'd like to be treated" is kind of simplistic and dumb IMO.

It's the golden rule though.

Seriously though...if you have decent moral...this cheesy phrase is pretty true.

 

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bearmick:

kansascomet:

bearmick:

Decatur Staley:

bearmick:

Decatur Staley:

bearmick:

Why are white males so uptight about being asked to just take a second to try and use non-offensive terminology when referring to people different to them?  Do they really feel so persecuted and opressed over this?

Why are white males the only ones expected to follow said political correctness?

I don't think they should be.  A purposeful, basic attempt not to offend people should be a courtesy everyone should extend.

I've got no problem with that... but I would argue that white males are held to a higher standard of expectations for political correctness.

Which might explain why some feel overly persecuted over PC'ness.

In our society, white males have always been at the top of the cultural food chain, which is probably why the have the highest expecations to be better in that regard, and minorities who have had a history of being disadvantaged are cut more breaks.

I see the logic in that and don't really have a problem with it. 

When white males are a minority, then it follows that you think they should be afforded hiring quotas or other mechanisms for their advantage then right?

I dont agree with hiring quotas even now.

 

Well I'm confused. I highlighted two of your statements that are contradictory. Not arguing, just asking for clarification.

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kansascomet:

bearmick:

kansascomet:

bearmick:

Decatur Staley:

bearmick:

Decatur Staley:

bearmick:

Why are white males so uptight about being asked to just take a second to try and use non-offensive terminology when referring to people different to them?  Do they really feel so persecuted and opressed over this?

Why are white males the only ones expected to follow said political correctness?

I don't think they should be.  A purposeful, basic attempt not to offend people should be a courtesy everyone should extend.

I've got no problem with that... but I would argue that white males are held to a higher standard of expectations for political correctness.

Which might explain why some feel overly persecuted over PC'ness.

In our society, white males have always been at the top of the cultural food chain, which is probably why the have the highest expecations to be better in that regard, and minorities who have had a history of being disadvantaged are cut more breaks.

I see the logic in that and don't really have a problem with it. 

When white males are a minority, then it follows that you think they should be afforded hiring quotas or other mechanisms for their advantage then right?

I dont agree with hiring quotas even now.

 

Well I'm confused. I highlighted two of your statements that are contradictory. Not arguing, just asking for clarification.

I was talking about not complaining about political correctness.  Sucking it up for a while without taking the faux persecution stance.  

I dont agree with quotas.

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bearmick:

kansascomet:

bearmick:

kansascomet:

bearmick:

Decatur Staley:

bearmick:

Decatur Staley:

bearmick:

Why are white males so uptight about being asked to just take a second to try and use non-offensive terminology when referring to people different to them?  Do they really feel so persecuted and opressed over this?

Why are white males the only ones expected to follow said political correctness?

I don't think they should be.  A purposeful, basic attempt not to offend people should be a courtesy everyone should extend.

I've got no problem with that... but I would argue that white males are held to a higher standard of expectations for political correctness.

Which might explain why some feel overly persecuted over PC'ness.

In our society, white males have always been at the top of the cultural food chain, which is probably why the have the highest expecations to be better in that regard, and minorities who have had a history of being disadvantaged are cut more breaks.

I see the logic in that and don't really have a problem with it. 

When white males are a minority, then it follows that you think they should be afforded hiring quotas or other mechanisms for their advantage then right?

I dont agree with hiring quotas even now.

 

Well I'm confused. I highlighted two of your statements that are contradictory. Not arguing, just asking for clarification.

I was talking about not complaining about political correctness.  Sucking it up for a while without taking the faux persecution stance.  

I dont agree with quotas.

Fair enough about the PC thing.

But how do you reconcile the contradictory statements? You're saying two opposite things.

How can you see the logic of the disadvantaged getting breaks and then be opposed to hiring quotas?

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navy&orange:

Political correctness is one of the many reasons why this country has gone downhill.  If people let words offend them, I say...get a freakin backbone, grow up or get lost. Sticks and stones might break my bones but words will never hurt me.

No response to this reality huh Bearmick?

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kansascomet:

bearmick:

kansascomet:

bearmick:

kansascomet:

bearmick:

Decatur Staley:

bearmick:

Decatur Staley:

bearmick:

Why are white males so uptight about being asked to just take a second to try and use non-offensive terminology when referring to people different to them?  Do they really feel so persecuted and opressed over this?

Why are white males the only ones expected to follow said political correctness?

I don't think they should be.  A purposeful, basic attempt not to offend people should be a courtesy everyone should extend.

I've got no problem with that... but I would argue that white males are held to a higher standard of expectations for political correctness.

Which might explain why some feel overly persecuted over PC'ness.

In our society, white males have always been at the top of the cultural food chain, which is probably why the have the highest expecations to be better in that regard, and minorities who have had a history of being disadvantaged are cut more breaks.

I see the logic in that and don't really have a problem with it. 

When white males are a minority, then it follows that you think they should be afforded hiring quotas or other mechanisms for their advantage then right?

I dont agree with hiring quotas even now.

 

Well I'm confused. I highlighted two of your statements that are contradictory. Not arguing, just asking for clarification.

I was talking about not complaining about political correctness.  Sucking it up for a while without taking the faux persecution stance.  

I dont agree with quotas.

Fair enough about the PC thing.

But how do you reconcile the contradictory statements? You're saying two opposite things.

How can you see the logic of the disadvantaged getting breaks and then be opposed to hiring quotas?

It's not really a contradictory statement, Kansas.  When I mentioned the disadvantaged getting some breaks, I wasn't ever talking about practical unfairness like employment quotas, I was simply talking about the historically advantaged people (you and I) taking the "PC" stuff on the chin for a bit, while this transition into real equality takes place, and not puffing our chests out like spoilt children when something like black history month or NFL Hispanic Recognition month happens and saying "Well how come we dont have a white history month?".

These things aren't taking food off our table, they're gestures to encourage inclusiveness.  Let's be grown ups and understand it for what it is, rather than stomping our feet in the ground and taking on the "I'm the persecuted white male, what about me?" attitude.

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