DaYdAy69:

There are three main reasons why wolfe is running better than Forte against the browns.

1. Forte ran against Shaun Rodgers, Wolfe did not

2. Wolfe ran less times than Forte, he had somehting to prove, and no one cared to stop the run when he is in.

3. Everytime Wolfe gets the handoff, he doesnt just run, he runs to save his life. Runs with fear, like that old RB (chargers i believe) who was one of the most elusive runners.

Umm because Wolfe played good? 5 carries for 53 yards is good against anyone anytime.
They were playing against the run when he was in and they know they would run the bal, and I don't know if Shaun Rodgers was in or not at the time but who was blocking for Wolfe? Wolfe had no hole on his 35 yard run and still made something out of nothing. Yeah Wolfe looked like he was running with fear on his carry when it took the hole Cleveland team to push him back... sarcasm.

DaBears253313:

Omeletpants:

DaBears253313:

SZOMP:

traderumorfromcubs.com:

Wolfe is now averaging 5.5 yards per carry on the season and the Bears are still giving about 80% of the rushing carries to Matt Forte who couldn't even average 4 yards per carry against the Browns. Is it time to at least go from 80-20 to 65-35?

He picks it up his yds in garbage time.  Just like the long run he had today!  We seen what Wolf could do when he gets a oppurtunity and thats nothin. 

He is talanted but with are OL, he wouldt last.  He would get broke.

When will people stop using his size as an excuse for why they don't think he can do it, can't they use something else? Size doesn't matter.

Yeah, that's why the NFL is full of 5'9" offensive lineman.

Ummm Garrett Wolfe is not an offensive lineman, so I don't know what point you are trying to make?

You said size doesn't matter. I'm giving you an example of where size matters. Thinking isn't your thing, is it?

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Omeletpants:

DaBears253313:

Omeletpants:

DaBears253313:

SZOMP:

traderumorfromcubs.com:

Wolfe is now averaging 5.5 yards per carry on the season and the Bears are still giving about 80% of the rushing carries to Matt Forte who couldn't even average 4 yards per carry against the Browns. Is it time to at least go from 80-20 to 65-35?

He picks it up his yds in garbage time.  Just like the long run he had today!  We seen what Wolf could do when he gets a oppurtunity and thats nothin. 

He is talanted but with are OL, he wouldt last.  He would get broke.

When will people stop using his size as an excuse for why they don't think he can do it, can't they use something else? Size doesn't matter.

Yeah, that's why the NFL is full of 5'9" offensive lineman.

Ummm Garrett Wolfe is not an offensive lineman, so I don't know what point you are trying to make?

You said size doesn't matter. I'm giving you an example of where size matters. Thinking isn't your thing, is it?

Okay in that case you are right, they would not let Wolfe be an offensive lineman. But as a running back, I don't think his size matters. I don't think he is to small to be an NFL running back.

DaBears253313:

DaYdAy69:

There are three main reasons why wolfe is running better than Forte against the browns.

1. Forte ran against Shaun Rodgers, Wolfe did not

2. Wolfe ran less times than Forte, he had somehting to prove, and no one cared to stop the run when he is in.

3. Everytime Wolfe gets the handoff, he doesnt just run, he runs to save his life. Runs with fear, like that old RB (chargers i believe) who was one of the most elusive runners.

Umm because Wolfe played good? 5 carries for 53 yards is good against anyone anytime. They were playing against the run when he was in and they know they would run the bal, and I don't know if Shaun Rodgers was in or not at the time but who was blocking for Wolfe? Wolfe had no hole on his 35 yard run and still made something out of nothing. Yeah Wolfe looked like he was running with fear on his carry when it took the hole Cleveland team to push him back... sarcasm.

I think you took what i said a little too seriously. I really dont dislike Wolfe. I jsut disagree that he is an every down kind of back. I love having him run to the outside, he has broken many tackles to the outside and has busted out some big gains. In this game he was pushing the pile with his feet, no matter his size. However, if Shaun Rodgers was in, he wouldnt have had those three 5 yard gains. We saw what happens to him when he goes up the middle. However, give him a pitch toss, power O to the outside. Ill take that anyday. Im not dissing on Wolfe, people just need to realize why he is doing good. He is not a every down back, and once in a while, you might see an outside run become a -5 yard play.

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OffTheBusRunning:

Didnt we say the same thing about AP when Benson was still with us.. I dont think AP's YPC were the same after he started getting full time duties, in fact i think they were the same as Bensons.  So unless the O line gets better, i dont think it matters who carries the ball.

Your right. I put AP stats up. top of page 2. If you look at the yrs with limited carries he had over 5 ypc. The one yr we really up his it want to 3.4. He did have a yr with a good amount of carries and a 4.1 ypc but overall the more he carried less ypc, and i think he's more an everydown back then wolf, and should be in the short yrd downs. He are best blocking rb and are most pyhsical after first contact

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000d5d813e4829/Garrett-Wolfe-Highlight-WK-08-vs-Browns-2009

There is the highlight.  Great run, vision, and improvisation.

This play was designed to run off of the LG.  The hole wasn't there, and he bounced it outside for a 30 yard gain.  This is something we need to see more of from Forte.  Forte tries to push his OL forward instead of bouncing it outside.

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1)  Has it been said that with our P*#@ poor O-line, Wolfe might actually do BETTER than Forte at times since he can bounce out being faster & smaller? 

2)  For those of you who every week complain about him not being able to run between the tackles.....a) during most plays, NOBODY can run behind these tackles......b)  You are the same people who also complain about Turner being too predictable!!

You can't put Wolfe in and run a draw, toss, or screen every time!!  Defs. aren't that niave.  Have to use some regular plays too, but unfort. he can't pass protect as well as the bigger RBs, which is a downfall to GW's game.

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All I ask is the Bears each meet and sustain their potential.

Bears should run a 2 back package every now and then.  Keep the opposing defenses on their toes----but that is to complicated for Ron Turner's--dumbed down offensive system

Its always the same a poster says give Wolfe more carries and right away the Wolfe haters say he's not an every down back!!!!!! Who said he should be an every down back all they said was give him more carries and bring him in at random times during the game . And that Turner is wasting Wolfes talent wich he is. I don,t understand all the hate Wolfe draws all he does is play the game as hard as he can on STs and make yardage when given a chance to play in the backfield. Oh ! I know maybe we should cut him so we can bring in a Big player with less heart who is not as vesatile as he is so the haters will be happy . If every player on this team had the heart and spirit that Wolfe shows when he plays we would be in the playoffs every year

traderumorfromcubs.com:

by the way, anyone know where or how I can see Wolfe's 30+ yard run? I missed it. Too bad it was late in the game. I doubt the highlights will show it.

 
It's called "Garbage time" for a reason.

beav720:

OffTheBusRunning:

Didnt we say the same thing about AP when Benson was still with us.. I dont think AP's YPC were the same after he started getting full time duties, in fact i think they were the same as Bensons.  So unless the O line gets better, i dont think it matters who carries the ball.

Your right. I put AP stats up. top of page 2. If you look at the yrs with limited carries he had over 5 ypc. The one yr we really up his it want to 3.4. He did have a yr with a good amount of carries and a 4.1 ypc but overall the more he carried less ypc, and i think he's more an everydown back then wolf, and should be in the short yrd downs. He are best blocking rb and are most pyhsical after first contact

i saw the stats you put up there, thanks for that,  I agree that I think AP is more than an everydown back than AP, but this is not to say i dont think that Wolfe should not get his carries.  I mean its starting to become a fad in the NFL to have a shorter quicker back.  MJD is the best at this, but you also have backs like Sproles and Ray Rice.  I think Forte is the better back, but this is not to say we dont spell him the way we are doing right now.  I think that Wolfe is being used properly right now.  

Carpe Ursus:

traderumorfromcubs.com:

by the way, anyone know where or how I can see Wolfe's 30+ yard run? I missed it. Too bad it was late in the game. I doubt the highlights will show it.

 
It's called "Garbage time" for a reason.

Because the stats that result from Garbage Time are meaningless

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Stats are stats. All teams play really bad teams and boost their stats while doing so.  You cannot take stats away, but you can look at them and realize them for what they are.

Simply put, the Bears will do better with smaller, quicker RBs simply because the o-line isn't dominant enough for a larger, slower, more powerful rusher.  With the elusive type guys, at least we can find some space to run when the designed play gets plugged up.

Omeletpants:

Carpe Ursus:

traderumorfromcubs.com:

by the way, anyone know where or how I can see Wolfe's 30+ yard run? I missed it. Too bad it was late in the game. I doubt the highlights will show it.

 
It's called "Garbage time" for a reason.

Because the stats that result from Garbage Time are meaningless

If you can run it well when you have the lead, and the opposing D knows you're trying to run the clock, then that isn't meaningless.  That's the most important time to have a running game.

That said, the game was clearly out of reach for the Browns yesterday when Wolfe came in.

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Omeletpants:

Carpe Ursus:

traderumorfromcubs.com:

by the way, anyone know where or how I can see Wolfe's 30+ yard run? I missed it. Too bad it was late in the game. I doubt the highlights will show it.

 
It's called "Garbage time" for a reason.

Because the stats that result from Garbage Time are meaningless

Take it a step further and say that any stats against the Browns, Lions, Redskins, Rams, Raiders, Bucs, and Chiefs are meaningless garbage.

Wolfe made a couple nice plays, let's just leave it at that.

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Omeletpants:

Garrett is the King of Garbage Time.

Omelet nailed it.
Ypc look great with a couple runs in garbage time when the other team is beat down at the end of the game and playing to stop big passes.
Forte's numbers would probably look better if we didn't take him out when the defense is tiring and in prevent mode.

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based on that (il)logic, he would have been named starter at the beginning of training camp - heck, he averaged 38 ypc against tampa bay and ended the season with a ypc average nearly a yard more than forte's...

through 7 games, forte has about 1/3 the number of carries he had all of last season when he totalled a little over 1200 yards rushing.  while his per carry average is down almost half a yard from last season, so are his attempts (from 19.8 to 16.9).  last year, he only had 5 games in which he carried for less than 20 times.  this year, he's had games with more than 20 carries only 3 times, two were wins.  his sub-20 carry games this year, including the 6 carry blowout at cincy, we're 2-2.  additionally, he'd still have over 1100 yards by the end of the year if he had the same number of carries as last year (which obviously isn't going to happen).

now that's not even counting the 25+ yards per game forte adds in receiving yards (compared to wolfe's 1.7), but you still want to reduce the amount of time he's on the field?  i've liked wolfe since his days at northern but i can't see taking carries away from a proven workhorse based upon a few runs here and there...

OffTheBusRunning:

beav720:

OffTheBusRunning:

Didnt we say the same thing about AP when Benson was still with us.. I dont think AP's YPC were the same after he started getting full time duties, in fact i think they were the same as Bensons.  So unless the O line gets better, i dont think it matters who carries the ball.

Your right. I put AP stats up. top of page 2. If you look at the yrs with limited carries he had over 5 ypc. The one yr we really up his it want to 3.4. He did have a yr with a good amount of carries and a 4.1 ypc but overall the more he carried less ypc, and i think he's more an everydown back then wolf, and should be in the short yrd downs. He are best blocking rb and are most pyhsical after first contact

i saw the stats you put up there, thanks for that,  I agree that I think AP is more than an everydown back than AP, but this is not to say i dont think that Wolfe should not get his carries.  I mean its starting to become a fad in the NFL to have a shorter quicker back.  MJD is the best at this, but you also have backs like Sproles and Ray Rice.  I think Forte is the better back, but this is not to say we dont spell him the way we are doing right now.  I think that Wolfe is being used properly right now.  

I agree, i think all three backs should be used. I think the Giants the last 2 yrs are a great example of 3 backs being productive.  Jacobs was the bruser and ward and bradsaw were similar backs. I think are 3 backs Forte is the more complete back, wolfe change of pace and A.P the bruser, but i think that takes to much imagination for turner

68Bearblood:

Watching the game  closely, I think Forte is missing some holes that are there, dont always balme it on the line. Forte is doing to much of running up the back of his line, I cant count how many times he could have bounced it out and picked up more yards, so some of it is Fortes fault.

I remember Benson running into the backs of his line, too.

They have to mix it up and do something different. The line is poor but they are pros, find a scheme that will work with the talent you have. That requires innovative coaching..........

never mind.

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Omeletpants:

Garrett is the King of Garbage Time.

You are such a retard. And I also think you might be blind as well.. Just because Wolfe is small does not mean he is bad. It means he can elude defenders more easily. Second of all it took Cleveland 6 defenders to take him down. He is fighting for his spot and in my opinion he has earned it. Unless you ask down-syndrome retards like omletpants. Omletpants you are so very wrong and you deserve to be thrown in the trash compactor with all the rest of the trash bc you know nothing and your opinions are no where near valid!

so i guess everyone is content with our current running game since forte had his best games against the lions and browns.........

why are you guys so against change?  no one is claiming that wolfe should be used as a full time rb but mixing it up cant hurt. this board is so lovie-esque sometimes.

jessejames33:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000d5d813e4829/Garrett-Wolfe-Highlight-WK-08-vs-Browns-2009

There is the highlight.  Great run, vision, and improvisation.

This play was designed to run off of the LG.  The hole wasn't there, and he bounced it outside for a 30 yard gain.  This is something we need to see more of from Forte.  Forte tries to push his OL forward instead of bouncing it outside.

Exactly, that has been what I have been pointing out to people about Wolfe and Peterson.  The blocking is just as bad for them and when the holes are there they hit them.  When the holes are not there, the still try to find a way to make a play and maybe cut the other way, just like what Wolfe did on that 35 yard run.

hawaiifan:

Its always the same a poster says give Wolfe more carries and right away the Wolfe haters say he's not an every down back!!!!!! Who said he should be an every down back all they said was give him more carries and bring him in at random times during the game . And that Turner is wasting Wolfes talent wich he is. I don,t understand all the hate Wolfe draws all he does is play the game as hard as he can on STs and make yardage when given a chance to play in the backfield. Oh ! I know maybe we should cut him so we can bring in a Big player with less heart who is not as vesatile as he is so the haters will be happy . If every player on this team had the heart and spirit that Wolfe shows when he plays we would be in the playoffs every year

Agreed.  Just give him a chance.  He continues to prove people wrong.

jessejames33:

Omeletpants:

Carpe Ursus:

traderumorfromcubs.com:

by the way, anyone know where or how I can see Wolfe's 30+ yard run? I missed it. Too bad it was late in the game. I doubt the highlights will show it.

 
It's called "Garbage time" for a reason.

Because the stats that result from Garbage Time are meaningless

If you can run it well when you have the lead, and the opposing D knows you're trying to run the clock, then that isn't meaningless.  That's the most important time to have a running game.

That said, the game was clearly out of reach for the Browns yesterday when Wolfe came in.

Exactly.  I guess they think they should take away Forte's touchdown against Detroit since we were up by a couple of scores and it was the end of the game.

landit:

Omeletpants:

Garrett is the King of Garbage Time.

You are such a retard. And I also think you might be blind as well.. Just because Wolfe is small does not mean he is bad. It means he can elude defenders more easily. Second of all it took Cleveland 6 defenders to take him down. He is fighting for his spot and in my opinion he has earned it. Unless you ask down-syndrome retards like omletpants. Omletpants you are so very wrong and you deserve to be thrown in the trash compactor with all the rest of the trash bc you know nothing and your opinions are no where near valid!

All op can ever say about Wolfe is that he is to small to play or post lame pictures.  He can never back himself up with his statement because Wolfe has been playing good.