Windy City Liar:

NoahJackson65:

Cutler is a future investment that won't pay off, this team will not be at a competitive level before 2013. Just like Jerry Angelo who needs to rebuild the o-line to trade a 2nd round pick for a defensive player. Cutler will either, leave in 2013, ask to be traded before 2013, or go the route of other Bear QB's and find success on another more complete team.

Awesome. So, you don't have a reason to post here for the next four years. I hope things go well for you during that time.

NoahJackson65:

Windy City Liar:

NoahJackson65:

Cutler is a future investment that won't pay off, this team will not be at a competitive level before 2013. Just like Jerry Angelo who needs to rebuild the o-line to trade a 2nd round pick for a defensive player. Cutler will either, leave in 2013, ask to be traded before 2013, or go the route of other Bear QB's and find success on another more complete team.

Awesome. So, you don't have a reason to post here for the next four years. I hope things go well for you during that time.

Sorry, I wasn't one of the fans who went out and bought Super Bowl tickets after we got Cutler. Bears fan for way too long.

Windy City Liar:

NoahJackson65:

Windy City Liar:

NoahJackson65:

Cutler is a future investment that won't pay off, this team will not be at a competitive level before 2013. Just like Jerry Angelo who needs to rebuild the o-line to trade a 2nd round pick for a defensive player. Cutler will either, leave in 2013, ask to be traded before 2013, or go the route of other Bear QB's and find success on another more complete team.

Awesome. So, you don't have a reason to post here for the next four years. I hope things go well for you during that time.

Sorry, I wasn't one of the fans who went out and bought Super Bowl tickets after we got Cutler. Bears fan for way too long.

Well, if you're as upset about Cutler being the Bears' QB as you seem to be, you should take a hiatus. He's going to be around for a very long time.

NoahJackson65:

Windy City Liar:

NoahJackson65:

Windy City Liar:

NoahJackson65:

Cutler is a future investment that won't pay off, this team will not be at a competitive level before 2013. Just like Jerry Angelo who needs to rebuild the o-line to trade a 2nd round pick for a defensive player. Cutler will either, leave in 2013, ask to be traded before 2013, or go the route of other Bear QB's and find success on another more complete team.

Awesome. So, you don't have a reason to post here for the next four years. I hope things go well for you during that time.

Sorry, I wasn't one of the fans who went out and bought Super Bowl tickets after we got Cutler. Bears fan for way too long.

Well, if you're as upset about Cutler being the Bears' QB as you seem to be, you should take a hiatus. He's going to be around for a very long time.

I'm not upset with Cutler, I just don't understand how he is now free from blame on an underacheiving offense in a town that has always pointed the first finger of blame to the quarterback. Jay left a very decent offense to join this mess Kyle Orton owes him a Christmas card for switching places with him.

falconcomeinpeace:

Well good luck, and remember there is always next year. Root for the Falcons tonight, this is going to be one hard fought game between two elite NFL teams. Go Falcons! One day you'll be in big games like this, maybe not this year, but perhaps next year or soon afterwards.

Windy City Liar:

NoahJackson65:

Windy City Liar:

NoahJackson65:

Windy City Liar:

NoahJackson65:

Cutler is a future investment that won't pay off, this team will not be at a competitive level before 2013. Just like Jerry Angelo who needs to rebuild the o-line to trade a 2nd round pick for a defensive player. Cutler will either, leave in 2013, ask to be traded before 2013, or go the route of other Bear QB's and find success on another more complete team.

Awesome. So, you don't have a reason to post here for the next four years. I hope things go well for you during that time.

Sorry, I wasn't one of the fans who went out and bought Super Bowl tickets after we got Cutler. Bears fan for way too long.

Well, if you're as upset about Cutler being the Bears' QB as you seem to be, you should take a hiatus. He's going to be around for a very long time.

I'm not upset with Cutler, I just don't understand how he is now free from blame on an underacheiving offense in a town that has always pointed the first finger of blame to the quarterback. Jay left a very decent offense to join this mess Kyle Orton owes him a Christmas card for switching places with him.

"About" not "with"

Matt Ryan has a "WEAK ARM", he doesn't know how to look down field, but that's understandable knowing that he has nobody worth throwing to down field. LOL, Roddy White, yeah he's good but he ain't really no deep threat. Just look at what he's done, I mean he's always gotten yards AFTER THE CATCH with Matt Ryan.

Either way Matt Ryan "He doesn't have the arm to do anything deep so it will always cause the FALCONS TO LOSE UNTIL HE IS NO LONGER THE QB FOR THE ATLANTA FALCONS IMO". No WR THREAT and NO DEEP THREAT!

Any team you face will know that you can cover a 20 yard field at best just like facing Chad Pennington and the dolphins.

Our Coach and GM doesn't realize that you : "DRAFT GREAT PLAYERS, not salvage players who may or may not be good".

Either Way : "Matt Ryan still has a "WEAK ARM". And Atlanta ran the ball all last year and caught the league off guard. That's the truth. Tony G. didn't mean nothing except to let them know that and show if you guard against the short game then you can beat the FALCONS any day.

This is just my opinon.

FALCON FAN OR NOT IT DOESN'T MATTER. WE STILL LOSE.

I am sick of it.

Say what you want, and I am sure you will make your smug remarks because I said I am done with it. But here's my smug remark : 'MY FAMILY AND SPENDING TIME WITH THEM MEAN MORE TO ME THAN ANY OF THE BS FOOTBALL TALK YOU SPEND YOUR DAYS WITH!".

Regardless of this loss I'm done. I can't take anymore and shouldn't have to.

They will never be able to beat the biased officials of the NFL.

I'm done. Not that it matters to anyone, but I'm tired of pulling for losers........

I'm done with watching "FOOTBALL" Period, it's a GAME! A GAME Played by others rules that you will NEVER win unless you are the FAVORED MARKETABLE NFL TEAM PLAYERS OR PLAYER.

The FALCONS ARE DONE THIS YEAR. Forget it. It's over with. Realize it like I have. They are a SMALL MARKET TEAM, WITH SMALL MARKET PLAYERS. These tiny players "WHICH I AM BIGGER THAN" that they have drafted and paid thousands of dollars to play for them are nothing more than TINY PEOPLE, and I am faster also. They are a joke! A speed team, BS, it doesn't matter when you have some big dude who can out jump you by 5 feet in the air and catch the ball like the SAINT'S done with one of their TD'S!


The FALCONS are a JOKE, I'm sorry to upset you but it's the truth. They are trying to cut too many corners where the money is concerned because Aurthur Blank is a business man and IMO appears to accepts nothing less than that!!!

I'm done....... I'm tired of pulling for losers and I will not be back and I will not have nothing else to do with this franchise!!!!!!!!!! They wouldn't let me into PURE FOOTBALL either way so they are biased also.

I'm DONE AND I am out of here for good!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GOODBYE!!!!!!!!!!!! THE FALCONS JUST AREN'T 'NOR WILL THEY NEVER BE ANY GOOD UNDER THIS ADMINISTRATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!

falconcomeinpeace:

Although their stats are eerily similar Orton has a slight edge. A sligthly better QB rating and he has only thrown one pick to Cutler's 11. Cutler has thrown for 60 more yards but both average 7 yards per completion. Of course Orton is 6-1 and Cutler 4-3.

falconcomeinpeace:

Well good luck, and remember there is always next year. Root for the Falcons tonight, this is going to be one hard fought game between two elite NFL teams. Go Falcons! One day you'll be in big games like this, maybe not this year, but perhaps next year or soon afterwards.

BearsLifer007:

Orton was better in this system too.

From David Haugh

Surprisingly, through seven games, Cutler's numbers aren't as good as Kyle Orton's
were at the same point in 2008. Cutler has been sacked 15 times and has
completed 64 percent of his passes for 1,677 yards, 11 touchdowns, 11
interceptions and a passer rating of 80.8.

Orton was sacked 14
times yet completed 62.2 percent of his passes for 1,669 yards, 10
touchdowns, four interceptions and a passer rating of 91.4.

Protection
has stunk, yes, but nobody has been sacked more than the Packers' Aaron
Rodgers (31 times), and his passer rating is 110.4. Opposing
quarterbacks were posting a 90.6 passer rating against the Browns.
Playing at home, Cutler finished at 66.7. Objectively, he needs to
improve. Such is the burden of a franchise quarterback.

billwade:

Dennis:

falconcomeinpeace:

Although their stats are eerily similar Orton has a slight edge. A sligthly better QB rating and he has only thrown one pick to Cutler's 11. Cutler has thrown for 60 more yards but both average 7 yards per completion. Of course Orton is 6-1 and Cutler 4-3.

"Slightly better?"

Kyle Orton's current passer rating is 95.5, Jay's is 80.8.  A difference of 14.7 in a passer rating isn't "slight," it's world's apart.

Last season myself and a few others tried to point out that the o-line was shoddy, the WR corps a joke, and the OC was an iamanidiot.  I was shouted down as making "Ortscuses" for Kyle.  Orton just sucked.

Now Kyle is gone and the Bears have gained a (in the critics' eyes) "Pro Bowl Franchise QB."  So they'll be no possibility of blaming the QB for the sins of others this season.  Others are finally realizing that even a QB with the rep of Jay Cutler cannot put out the offensive dumpster fire all by himself.  They are finally seeing how pedestrian the WRs are - even with much of last year's deadwood cleared out.  They are seeing how the o-line (even though they're improved from last season) cannot hold off a rush, cannot pass protect and cannot run block.  They are seeing how idiotic Ron Turner's play-calling is, how ineffective his game-plans are, how incapable Turner is of making adjustments during the game.

All it took was dumping the best home-grown QB the Bears have had since McMahon.  The undeniable fact that now Orton is a good QB when coached competently and given a decent squad to work with shows beyond question that Turner and his staff have no idea what they are doing. 

Jay managed to soldier on bravely for a while, his numbers amazingly similar to what he did in Denver with Shanahan as his coach and a good Offense helping him.  But since the bye week, Cutler has started sliding - even his golden arm ultimately can't stop the avalanche of stupidity that is the Bears Offensive Coaching Staff....

Hopefully this will finally force Lovie into purging his offensive staff completely and bringing in someone as OC who can actually run an Offense at the NFL level...

Thanks for not making me look that up. I knew that Orton and Cutler's QBR's weren't even close. Orton is having a much better season than Cutler is at this point.

I consider myself one of the "few others" that believed that the Bears horrific offensive issues were not fully exposed because Orton helped cover them up rather than the other way around.

Now we see that mortgaging the future for Jay Cutler is probably a net sum gain of nothing. His QBR is almost identical to Kyle Orton's last season (80.8 vs 79.6) and the Bears are 2-#1 draft picks lighter that could have been used to acquire some decent, young o-linemen.

I REALLY hope this turns out better than I expect. Otherwise, the franchise has been set back 5 years minimum and the future with Jay Cutler taking an endless beating and losing a bunch of games may end in an ugly way.

Oddly, it's impossible to dislike Jay Cutler. Besides getting a lot of money, he's kind of a victim here and I believe he is just starting to realize it.

falconcomeinpeace:

Well good luck, and remember there is always next year. Root for the Falcons tonight, this is going to be one hard fought game between two elite NFL teams. Go Falcons! One day you'll be in big games like this, maybe not this year, but perhaps next year or soon afterwards.

DA_MidwayNation:

falconcomeinpeace:

Although their stats are eerily similar Orton has a slight edge. A sligthly better QB rating and he has only thrown one pick to Cutler's 11. Cutler has thrown for 60 more yards but both average 7 yards per completion. Of course Orton is 6-1 and Cutler 4-3.

Of course Ryan is now 4-3 also so I guess that makes Orton better than Matt Ryan right?

funsize1984:

DA_MidwayNation:

falconcomeinpeace:

Although their stats are eerily similar Orton has a slight edge. A sligthly better QB rating and he has only thrown one pick to Cutler's 11. Cutler has thrown for 60 more yards but both average 7 yards per completion. Of course Orton is 6-1 and Cutler 4-3.

Of course Ryan is now 4-3 also so I guess that makes Orton better than Matt Ryan right?

yea, they should try and trade for Orton. He's a winner. Orton is way better than Matty Ice. gtfo falcon fans

vinnyfromstonepark:

Just got dumber reading this thread... oh my christ, i have no clue what you people are watching... clearly you are drinking the kool aid. the fact is this, we did not trade 2 firsts and a starting qb for similar results... he needs to be a game changer to justify the trade... he has yet to be that. stop making excuses for the guy and pray that he is not Jeff George 2.0... because thats what it looks like through one half of one season.

vinnyfromstonepark:

Just got dumber reading this thread... oh my christ, i have no clue what you people are watching... clearly you are drinking the kool aid. the fact is this, we did not trade 2 firsts and a starting qb for similar results... he needs to be a game changer to justify the trade... he has yet to be that. stop making excuses for the guy and pray that he is not Jeff George 2.0... because thats what it looks like through one half of one season.

NoahJackson65:

Windy City Liar:

NoahJackson65:

Windy City Liar:

NoahJackson65:

Windy City Liar:

NoahJackson65:

Cutler is a future investment that won't pay off, this team will not be at a competitive level before 2013. Just like Jerry Angelo who needs to rebuild the o-line to trade a 2nd round pick for a defensive player. Cutler will either, leave in 2013, ask to be traded before 2013, or go the route of other Bear QB's and find success on another more complete team.

Awesome. So, you don't have a reason to post here for the next four years. I hope things go well for you during that time.

Sorry, I wasn't one of the fans who went out and bought Super Bowl tickets after we got Cutler. Bears fan for way too long.

Well, if you're as upset about Cutler being the Bears' QB as you seem to be, you should take a hiatus. He's going to be around for a very long time.

I'm not upset with Cutler, I just don't understand how he is now free from blame on an underacheiving offense in a town that has always pointed the first finger of blame to the quarterback. Jay left a very decent offense to join this mess Kyle Orton owes him a Christmas card for switching places with him.

"About" not "with"

I'm not upset ABOUT Cutler being the QB. I just find it very funny that Chicago fans have finally realized a QB does not win or lose games. That type of thinking made guys like Matt Cassell millions from one year in the New England offense. It's about a 11 man complete offense, it's how Steve Young went from a bust to the HOF. Only one having a problem ABOUT Cutler being their qb was Josh McDaniels and he looks like a genius right now.

eww matt ryan sure is acting like brady 2.0 aint he?

last 3 games

lower than 58% completion, 5 tds 7 picks, and 7 sacks.

Funny how the media will spin this into anti-falcons supporting cast mumbo jumbo to protect the next hall of famer.  Cutler throws 7 picks and takes lots of sacks and people call him jeff george 2.0, ryan does it and its just a bad stretch.

btw, before you use the "second year" excuse, I thought it was common sense that he was 1000x better at taking care of the ball and was one of the best in the nfl at it?

playthrough2001:

Dennis:

falconcomeinpeace:

Although their stats are eerily similar Orton has a slight edge. A sligthly better QB rating and he has only thrown one pick to Cutler's 11. Cutler has thrown for 60 more yards but both average 7 yards per completion. Of course Orton is 6-1 and Cutler 4-3.

"Slightly better?"

Kyle Orton's current passer rating is 95.5, Jay's is 80.8.  A difference of 14.7 in a passer rating isn't "slight," it's world's apart.

Last season myself and a few others tried to point out that the o-line was shoddy, the WR corps a joke, and the OC was an iamanidiot.  I was shouted down as making "Ortscuses" for Kyle.  Orton just sucked.

Now Kyle is gone and the Bears have gained a (in the critics' eyes) "Pro Bowl Franchise QB."  So they'll be no possibility of blaming the QB for the sins of others this season.  Others are finally realizing that even a QB with the rep of Jay Cutler cannot put out the offensive dumpster fire all by himself.  They are finally seeing how pedestrian the WRs are - even with much of last year's deadwood cleared out.  They are seeing how the o-line (even though they're improved from last season) cannot hold off a rush, cannot pass protect and cannot run block.  They are seeing how idiotic Ron Turner's play-calling is, how ineffective his game-plans are, how incapable Turner is of making adjustments during the game.

All it took was dumping the best home-grown QB the Bears have had since McMahon.  The undeniable fact that now Orton is a good QB when coached competently and given a decent squad to work with shows beyond question that Turner and his staff have no idea what they are doing. 

Jay managed to soldier on bravely for a while, his numbers amazingly similar to what he did in Denver with Shanahan as his coach and a good Offense helping him.  But since the bye week, Cutler has started sliding - even his golden arm ultimately can't stop the avalanche of stupidity that is the Bears Offensive Coaching Staff....

Hopefully this will finally force Lovie into purging his offensive staff completely and bringing in someone as OC who can actually run an Offense at the NFL level...

Dennis you should check out the Broncos board today. Look at the thread titled Kyle Orton. They're killing your boy over there. One loss and they are lamenting his "arm strength", lack of mobility and all of his other obvious shortcomings. One poster referred to him as a "sloth". The Ravens in post game interviews admitted they did not have to be concerned with the long ball and could tee off underneath. Again Orton is a nice kid who tried his best here but he's a mediocre NFL QB. Get on with your life.

Hmm.  You apparently read the Broncos board extensively and you joined CBMB just 2 days after the Bears picked up Cutler.  Not hard to figure out how long you've been a Bears fan, playthrough....

There are Cutler fans who have long been silenced on the Broncos boards because Denver was undefeated and KO was putting up such good numbers.  Now that the inevitable loss has finally happened, they're gleefully crawling out from the rocks they were hiding under and having their own little game of pile on Orton.  Hate-filled morons who either don't understand football or are intentionally misrepresenting the facts to bolster their own argument.  I pay them little heed.

But if Orton posting a 71.0 against a historically very good and still loaded with talent Ravens D makes him "mediocre," what does that say about Cutler's 66.7 against the hapless  doormats of the NFL that the Browns have long been?

Orton had a bad game.  ONE.  That's it.  A bit quick to start up with "mediocre" talk about a QB who just won AFC Offensive Player of the Week for his game against the Patriots.

Cutler's destruction at the inept hands of Ron Turner has already begun.  My whole point in my previous post was in relation to that.  Jay is undeniably a talented QB.  Yet he's failing here in Chicago.  It's not due to Cutler lacking what it takes to be an NFL QB. 

It's because Jerry Angelo refused to see the importance of decent WRs, because he tried to slap together an o-line on the cheap.  He wrongly blamed Orton for the offensive problems as a smokescreen to his own mistakes in spending money unnecessarily re-signing defensive players to bigger contracts while letting the o-line age into senility, and filling the WR ranks with the cast-offs from other teams' trash.  Even after acquiring Cutler, he refused to get him any help by getting a decent veteran WR or two.  He slapped a FA bandaid on an o-line that needed open-heart surgery.  

It's also (and even mainly) because Ron Turner is a horrible Offensive Coordinator.  Ron cannot evaluate the available talent intelligently or properly assemble and integrate an offensive squad.  He cannot train them in proper technique, correct their mechanics, or teach them how to understand what is happening on the field so that they react properly.  Turner cannot make adjustments during the game except to totally panic when the Bears fall behind and abandon anything that might be working to send in desperation plays instead. 

This season should provide the impetus to finally dump Ron Turner and his staff of pinheads to bring in a decent Offensive Coordinator.  Lovie has cleaned up the awful mismanagement of the Defense - even though it meant taking the DC responsibilities away from his good friend, Bob Babich.  Lovie's job will be on the line at the end of the season because of the debacle on the other side of the ball.  I really can't see him not pulling the trigger to rid himself of Ron Turner...

NoahJackson65:

Hawk76:

falconcomeinpeace:

46Blitz:

Denver would win the superbowl if they had Cutler, imagine that defense, OL and running game, then Cutler at QB.   They would easily be the best team in the NFL.

Orton is a winner, a field general. Denver couldn't do any better at QB, definitely not with Cutler.

LOL...you obviously come in peace.

How bout you try comparing Denver's offensive numbers last year with Jay, to their numbers now with Kyle. Theres been a large drop off. They also under 20th in scoring offense. RIGHT THERE WITH THE BILLS AND TITANS. If you really don't think they could do better, your a moron.

If you were running a Fantasy Football team Denver fans would want Cutler but in the NFL it's about wins so I think Orton is doing a good job. Especially since Cutler never got to the post season when Denver has 4 games against Oakland & Kansas City and 8-8 can win the division, it's not that hard.