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  •  11-07-2009, 8:53 AM 1892182 in reply to 1891660

    Re: Political Correctness

    Silvertonlovesdabears:
    bearmick:
    Why are white males so uptight about being asked to just take a second to try and use non-offensive terminology when referring to people different to them?  Do they really feel so persecuted and opressed over this?

    Why do white males bash other white males to feel good about themselves?

     

     

    Why are you so freaking creepy?

     


    "We must all suffer one of two things: the pain of discipline or the pain of regret or disappointment." Jim Rohn
  •  11-07-2009, 9:17 AM 1892198 in reply to 1892179

    Re: Political Correctness

    kansascomet:
    jester:
    It's not only white males that have a problem with PC as you make it sound with your usual stereotypes.


    PC is built on racism, stereotypes, and discrimination.

    Without that, PC falls to pieces.

    The real racists are the ones who push PC.

    To a point.  But I think we could also be a bit more sensitive abut how we treat people.  I have a son that's deaf.  To hear him called "hearing impared' makes me think someone is getting paid by the syllable someplace.  How is "deaf" insulting?  I don't get it, and many of the terms we are sometimes forced to use are even more insane.

    But if a group of people ask to be referred to in a certain way, or NOT referred to in certain ways, what does it hurt to accept it?

    I worked with a Black kid who, at 21,  had never really heard the term "Negro" used in public. We heard a lady from the south on the radio saying (About Obama) that "I'm not a racist, I have many "Negro" friends..."

    We thought that was hilarious. So we started putting the term everywhere.  Here's a fun game.  Take Star Wars, and and every time they say "Jedi" replace it with "Negro".   It just got too funny.

    But had he been offended, I would never have thought of doing it.  Why bother?


    Religion and sex are power plays
    Manipulate the people for the money they pay
    Selling skin, selling God
    The numbers look the same on their credit cards
    --- Queensryche
  •  11-07-2009, 9:18 AM 1892199 in reply to 1892019

    Re: Political Correctness

    bearmick:

    thicknthin:
      Respect is something we earn by our own merits.....not our race or gender. PC is racist and/or discriminatory which only causes more unrest and anxiety in our society......fugetaboutit!

    That's actually a logical and intelligent argument against PC. 

    Thank God there's a right-winger out there with a brain.  I was beginning to worry.

     

    Most respect must be earned, true...but we CAN start with basic human respect.  Why insult or anger people who have done nothing to you?


    Religion and sex are power plays
    Manipulate the people for the money they pay
    Selling skin, selling God
    The numbers look the same on their credit cards
    --- Queensryche
  •  11-07-2009, 10:13 AM 1892270 in reply to 1891838

    Re: Political Correctness

    onebud34:
    bearbeav:
    onebud34:
    bearmick:

    onebud34:
    Mick...would you be okay if a minority addressed another minority in a non-PC greeting?

    I think I've already addressed that, onebud.

    I guess I phrased that wrong. If you were the minority and they addressed themselves in the worst possible way would be the scenario. As in you were the only one that could take offense to it. Would it be a situation where you would tell these people that it's not PC and not cool.

    I think you just made your question it a little less clear.  Mick you said its not a double standard because White males were always on top, so now they kind of have to sux it up a lil.  Is that the basiclly your arguement.  Ill agree with we were and minority's were treated wrong.  That was a double standard just like now its a double standard the other way. Now you  might call that equaling out, or something we got to deal with because of the past, but I think intill there are no double standards on either side, nothings going to change.  Someone is always going to feel like they r getting a raw deal.  Do you agree with that logic?

    I see that logic...but hmm...it's hard for me to explain this with text.

    You're good friends with a minority race. They're your bud's. There is a mutual acceptance....they address each other in a certain way...by using the "n" word. And you address them in your normal "white guy" way. For me it's a handshake. Now...after the greeting does it pop into anyone's mind, that if it wasn't you 3 or 4 and you were around a different group of people, would you speak up and say something that it might be offensive to others.

     

    I agree with you. With my friends PC has no place.  We get on each other about anything. The only thing I wont do is use the N word.  If your friends with someone then you know its just jokeing around, but I would have to say, if other people are around I wouldnt be doing it.  At work I know there are poeple I can make dum lil black jokes about and they can make Italian joke or white jokes and its fine but you cant do it in a larger crowd. To me thats not PC thats respectfull. I think PC is BS. Common sence should be the bar.

  •  11-07-2009, 10:18 AM 1892277 in reply to 1892019

    Re: Political Correctness

    bearmick:

    thicknthin:
      Respect is something we earn by our own merits.....not our race or gender. PC is racist and/or discriminatory which only causes more unrest and anxiety in our society......fugetaboutit!

    That's actually a logical and intelligent argument against PC. 

    Thank God there's a right-winger out there with a brain.  I was beginning to worry.

     

    There have been many intelligent responses from our side. I can say the same about the left. Have the time they dont answer the question, they just throw out talking points or label us on the right racist and bigots
  •  11-07-2009, 10:29 AM 1892283 in reply to 1892199

    Re: Political Correctness

    Mozart1220:
    bearmick:

    thicknthin:
      Respect is something we earn by our own merits.....not our race or gender. PC is racist and/or discriminatory which only causes more unrest and anxiety in our society......fugetaboutit!

    That's actually a logical and intelligent argument against PC. 

    Thank God there's a right-winger out there with a brain.  I was beginning to worry.

     

    Most respect must be earned, true...but we CAN start with basic human respect.  Why insult or anger people who have done nothing to you?


     Same can be said for insulting or angering people that don`t agree with you...it happens all the time on this MB and you know who is probably more guilty of it than most. Maybe you should stop being so sensitive yourself.

    In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock
  •  11-07-2009, 11:10 AM 1892305 in reply to 1892277

    Re: Political Correctness

    Nothing wrong with a group or groups preferring a less offensive term to replace an archaic one. Nothing at all.

    I can see where someone who is severely spastic would resent being called a 'spaz' or a 'palsy' which were quite common terms to me growing up. Describing someone as 'physically impaired' instead of calling them a 'cripple' ...most folks have no problem with that.

    The problem people have with PC is that it stretches to every ethnic group there is. Forget all that xxxxx-American junk. Who cares what part of the world your ancesters came from??? Get rid of the 'feel good' labels...Call them AMERICANS...

    We will never reach the point of a race and color free society with the PC police pointing out differences at every turn...

    Most folks are ready to judge people on character alone. Sadly, it seems the PC police are not. THEY are the ones who will catagorize people according to race. THEY are the true racists. That is where the backlash against PC comes from.

    What is so hard to understand about that?

  •  11-07-2009, 11:16 AM 1892307 in reply to 1892283

    Re: Political Correctness

    Political Correctness, when you get down to it, is just a small part of society's guilty conscious forcing self censorship on to the populace at large.

    I think there is a large chasm between PC and basic courtesy. 

    What is PC is generally decided upon by the Media and a few outspoken people who belong to a specific group.  These entities force their PC views onto everyone else.  They seem to believe that by attempting to remove specific words from language, they will remove the intent and emotions behind these words. 

    Lets assume the 'N' word is never again uttered by any person, does that remove racist feelings toward black people?  Of course not.  Conversely, there are times when a word stops being simply a way to express something, and becomes the thing itself.  For example, I could say I 'hate' Oprah Winfrey, anyone who would hear me say that would logically understand what I meant.  I have negative feelings for  Mrs. Winfrey to an extreme that it goes past simply being defined by words like 'dislike'.  I can also say, I hate spinach.  In either situation the word 'hate' in itself is not derogatory, I am expressing a feeling of extreme dislike.  Now, it would be significantly different if I called her the 'N' word.  That word has taken on more than the simple meaning of dislike, it has become dislike itself.

    In very specific situations 'PC' is acceptable.  The 'N' word transcended the typical taboo of words like the 'F' word and so on, here the idea of 'PC', in my opinion, is acceptable.  It wasn't just the Media and certain outspoken people who rallied against a word, but, society itself.  Which brings me to what we think of as common courtesy.

    Courtesy is very basic guidelines of behavior decided upon by society.  When you think about it, common courtesy is rather undefined and a bit loose.  There aren't exactly written rules to follow (well unless you're won of those whack job Ms Manners types), just expected responses, Please, Thank You, Pardon Me, etc.  By using common courtesy you are essentially presenting basic expressions of respect, usually in situations where you don't know the other party.  Bumping into someone on a side walk you might say "pardon me", these two quick words are basically saying, "Whoops, my bad, I should watch where I'm walking". 

    Courtesies, when you get down to it are just very basic sayings to express common sentiments that we would use regularly through out the day, typically showing deference to another person and acknowledging them.

    Courtesy and 'PC' are very different things.  PC is censorship, Courtesy is simply basic respect to help keep the ball bearings the world spins on greased.  Courtesy makes our days a bit easier.

    I think PC is, generally, a bad thing.  It's just a more polite way to express the same feelings of distrust, dislike, discomfort, etc.  Enforcing Political Correctness is just making everyone jump through hoops to make a few people feel better.  It may be politically correct to call black people African-American, yet, at the same that silly hyphenated phrase is ridiculous and ignorant.  I went to college with a guy from the US Virgin Islands, he was a 'black' kid.  It used to make him chuckle every time he was referred to as African American, since he had never seen Africa and couldn't trace his lineage to the continent.  It was just an ignorant way to put him in a box unnecessarily.  We are so focused on putting people in groups that our guilt forces us to use ridiculous terms so that we may lie to ourselves about what we really think.  Political Correctness is self delusion.  Granted, brazenly using rude language just to spite the PC crowd and make yourself feel better is stupid.  Which reminds of that old saying "It's better to keep your mouth shut and look dumb than to open it and remove all doubt".

    Treat people the way you would want to, pretty easy rule when you think about it.
  •  11-07-2009, 11:20 AM 1892315 in reply to 1892307

    Re: Political Correctness

    ShiftyDevil:
    Political Correctness, when you get down to it, is just a small part of society's guilty conscious forcing self censorship on to the populace at large.

    I think there is a large chasm between PC and basic courtesy. 

    What is PC is generally decided upon by the Media and a few outspoken people who belong to a specific group.  These entities force their PC views onto everyone else.  They seem to believe that by attempting to remove specific words from language, they will remove the intent and emotions behind these words. 

    Lets assume the 'N' word is never again uttered by any person, does that remove racist feelings toward black people?  Of course not.  Conversely, there are times when a word stops being simply a way to express something, and becomes the thing itself.  For example, I could say I 'hate' Oprah Winfrey, anyone who would hear me say that would logically understand what I meant.  I have negative feelings for  Mrs. Winfrey to an extreme that it goes past simply being defined by words like 'dislike'.  I can also say, I hate spinach.  In either situation the word 'hate' in itself is not derogatory, I am expressing a feeling of extreme dislike.  Now, it would be significantly different if I called her the 'N' word.  That word has taken on more than the simple meaning of dislike, it has become dislike itself.

    In very specific situations 'PC' is acceptable.  The 'N' word transcended the typical taboo of words like the 'F' word and so on, here the idea of 'PC', in my opinion, is acceptable.  It wasn't just the Media and certain outspoken people who rallied against a word, but, society itself.  Which brings me to what we think of as common courtesy.

    Courtesy is very basic guidelines of behavior decided upon by society.  When you think about it, common courtesy is rather undefined and a bit loose.  There aren't exactly written rules to follow (well unless you're won of those whack job Ms Manners types), just expected responses, Please, Thank You, Pardon Me, etc.  By using common courtesy you are essentially presenting basic expressions of respect, usually in situations where you don't know the other party.  Bumping into someone on a side walk you might say "pardon me", these two quick words are basically saying, "Whoops, my bad, I should watch where I'm walking". 

    Courtesies, when you get down to it are just very basic sayings to express common sentiments that we would use regularly through out the day, typically showing deference to another person and acknowledging them.

    Courtesy and 'PC' are very different things.  PC is censorship, Courtesy is simply basic respect to help keep the ball bearings the world spins on greased.  Courtesy makes our days a bit easier.

    I think PC is, generally, a bad thing.  It's just a more polite way to express the same feelings of distrust, dislike, discomfort, etc.  Enforcing Political Correctness is just making everyone jump through hoops to make a few people feel better.  It may be politically correct to call black people African-American, yet, at the same that silly hyphenated phrase is ridiculous and ignorant.  I went to college with a guy from the US Virgin Islands, he was a 'black' kid.  It used to make him chuckle every time he was referred to as African American, since he had never seen Africa and couldn't trace his lineage to the continent.  It was just an ignorant way to put him in a box unnecessarily.  We are so focused on putting people in groups that our guilt forces us to use ridiculous terms so that we may lie to ourselves about what we really think.  Political Correctness is self delusion.  Granted, brazenly using rude language just to spite the PC crowd and make yourself feel better is stupid.  Which reminds of that old saying "It's better to keep your mouth shut and look dumb than to open it and remove all doubt".

    Treat people the way you would want to, pretty easy rule when you think about it.


    +1

  •  11-07-2009, 11:38 AM 1892325 in reply to 1892283

    Re: Political Correctness

    thicknthin:
    Mozart1220:
    bearmick:

    thicknthin:
      Respect is something we earn by our own merits.....not our race or gender. PC is racist and/or discriminatory which only causes more unrest and anxiety in our society......fugetaboutit!

    That's actually a logical and intelligent argument against PC. 

    Thank God there's a right-winger out there with a brain.  I was beginning to worry.

     

    Most respect must be earned, true...but we CAN start with basic human respect.  Why insult or anger people who have done nothing to you?


     Same can be said for insulting or angering people that don`t agree with you...it happens all the time on this MB and you know who is probably more guilty of it than most. Maybe you should stop being so sensitive yourself.

    Maybe we should just treat each other with respect and cut out the namecalling and insults.  It's not about being sensitive.  You guys can't hurt me.  It's about not having adult conversation banned again.

    As for angering people, I can't help it if my differing views get them riled up. It's their problem not mine.


    Religion and sex are power plays
    Manipulate the people for the money they pay
    Selling skin, selling God
    The numbers look the same on their credit cards
    --- Queensryche
  •  11-07-2009, 12:03 PM 1892350 in reply to 1892283

    Re: Political Correctness

    thicknthin:
    Mozart1220:
    bearmick:

    thicknthin:
      Respect is something we earn by our own merits.....not our race or gender. PC is racist and/or discriminatory which only causes more unrest and anxiety in our society......fugetaboutit!

    That's actually a logical and intelligent argument against PC. 

    Thank God there's a right-winger out there with a brain.  I was beginning to worry.

     

    Most respect must be earned, true...but we CAN start with basic human respect.  Why insult or anger people who have done nothing to you?


     Same can be said for insulting or angering people that don`t agree with you...it happens all the time on this MB and you know who is probably more guilty of it than most. Maybe you should stop being so sensitive yourself.

    If you're referring to me, I have no problem with people who don't agree with me.  When they start calling me anti-Amreican, a traitor, a Euro-lover etc because I don't go along with their populist right wing brand of patriotism, is when I quit being nice.





    the "Che Guevara" of Fans First
  •  11-07-2009, 12:13 PM 1892363 in reply to 1892350

    Re: Political Correctness

    bearmick:
    thicknthin:
    Mozart1220:
    bearmick:

    thicknthin:
      Respect is something we earn by our own merits.....not our race or gender. PC is racist and/or discriminatory which only causes more unrest and anxiety in our society......fugetaboutit!

    That's actually a logical and intelligent argument against PC. 

    Thank God there's a right-winger out there with a brain.  I was beginning to worry.

     

    Most respect must be earned, true...but we CAN start with basic human respect.  Why insult or anger people who have done nothing to you?


     Same can be said for insulting or angering people that don`t agree with you...it happens all the time on this MB and you know who is probably more guilty of it than most. Maybe you should stop being so sensitive yourself.

    If you're referring to me, I have no problem with people who don't agree with me.  When they start calling me anti-Amreican, a traitor, a Euro-lover etc because I don't go along with their populist right wing brand of patriotism, is when I quit being nice.

    Problem is you seem to label anyone who disagrees with you a populist right winger whether they really are or not. Another one of your favorites is labeling people who disagree with you on political or social issues, a Fox News mouthbreather or bigot.

  •  11-07-2009, 12:20 PM 1892372 in reply to 1892363

    Re: Political Correctness

    jester:
    bearmick:
    thicknthin:
    Mozart1220:
    bearmick:

    thicknthin:
      Respect is something we earn by our own merits.....not our race or gender. PC is racist and/or discriminatory which only causes more unrest and anxiety in our society......fugetaboutit!

    That's actually a logical and intelligent argument against PC. 

    Thank God there's a right-winger out there with a brain.  I was beginning to worry.

     

    Most respect must be earned, true...but we CAN start with basic human respect.  Why insult or anger people who have done nothing to you?


     Same can be said for insulting or angering people that don`t agree with you...it happens all the time on this MB and you know who is probably more guilty of it than most. Maybe you should stop being so sensitive yourself.

    If you're referring to me, I have no problem with people who don't agree with me.  When they start calling me anti-Amreican, a traitor, a Euro-lover etc because I don't go along with their populist right wing brand of patriotism, is when I quit being nice.

    Problem is you seem to label anyone who disagrees with you a populist right winger whether they really are or not. Another one of your favorites is labeling people who disagree with you on political or social issues, a Fox News mouthbreather or bigot.

    I call a spade a spade.  I don't believe I used the word populist or the word bigot inaccurately or undeservedly on this board.

     





    the "Che Guevara" of Fans First
  •  11-07-2009, 12:29 PM 1892378 in reply to 1892372

    Re: Political Correctness

    bearmick:
    jester:
    bearmick:
    thicknthin:
    Mozart1220:
    bearmick:

    thicknthin:
      Respect is something we earn by our own merits.....not our race or gender. PC is racist and/or discriminatory which only causes more unrest and anxiety in our society......fugetaboutit!

    That's actually a logical and intelligent argument against PC. 

    Thank God there's a right-winger out there with a brain.  I was beginning to worry.

     

    Most respect must be earned, true...but we CAN start with basic human respect.  Why insult or anger people who have done nothing to you?


     Same can be said for insulting or angering people that don`t agree with you...it happens all the time on this MB and you know who is probably more guilty of it than most. Maybe you should stop being so sensitive yourself.

    If you're referring to me, I have no problem with people who don't agree with me.  When they start calling me anti-Amreican, a traitor, a Euro-lover etc because I don't go along with their populist right wing brand of patriotism, is when I quit being nice.

    Problem is you seem to label anyone who disagrees with you a populist right winger whether they really are or not. Another one of your favorites is labeling people who disagree with you on political or social issues, a Fox News mouthbreather or bigot.

    I call a spade a spade.  I don't believe I used the word populist or the word bigot inaccurately or undeservedly on this board.

     

    I guess we disagree then. I think you label people more than any other poster on this board, that's my opinion. That's the nicest way I can put it on the public forum. I don't want to get you or I banned/suspended.

  •  11-07-2009, 12:34 PM 1892383 in reply to 1892325

    Re: Political Correctness

    Mozart1220:
    thicknthin:
    Mozart1220:
    bearmick:

    thicknthin:
      Respect is something we earn by our own merits.....not our race or gender. PC is racist and/or discriminatory which only causes more unrest and anxiety in our society......fugetaboutit!

    That's actually a logical and intelligent argument against PC. 

    Thank God there's a right-winger out there with a brain.  I was beginning to worry.

     

    Most respect must be earned, true...but we CAN start with basic human respect.  Why insult or anger people who have done nothing to you?


     Same can be said for insulting or angering people that don`t agree with you...it happens all the time on this MB and you know who is probably more guilty of it than most. Maybe you should stop being so sensitive yourself.

    Maybe we should just treat each other with respect and cut out the namecalling and insults.  It's not about being sensitive.  You guys can't hurt me.  It's about not having adult conversation banned again.

    As for angering people, I can't help it if my differing views get them riled up. It's their problem not mine.


       But you are one of them leading the crusade for PC on this thread. People follow leaders that have credibility, not those engulfed in hypocricy. If you are serious about your cause then start leading by example. Calling people "tin hats" and "right -wing nut jobs" will not get it done tongue tied [*tot*].

    In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock
  •  11-07-2009, 12:37 PM 1892386 in reply to 1892307

    Re: Political Correctness

    ShiftyDevil:
    Political Correctness, when you get down to it, is just a small part of society's guilty conscious forcing self censorship on to the populace at large.

    I think there is a large chasm between PC and basic courtesy. 

    What is PC is generally decided upon by the Media and a few outspoken people who belong to a specific group.  These entities force their PC views onto everyone else.  They seem to believe that by attempting to remove specific words from language, they will remove the intent and emotions behind these words. 

    Lets assume the 'N' word is never again uttered by any person, does that remove racist feelings toward black people?  Of course not.  Conversely, there are times when a word stops being simply a way to express something, and becomes the thing itself.  For example, I could say I 'hate' Oprah Winfrey, anyone who would hear me say that would logically understand what I meant.  I have negative feelings for  Mrs. Winfrey to an extreme that it goes past simply being defined by words like 'dislike'.  I can also say, I hate spinach.  In either situation the word 'hate' in itself is not derogatory, I am expressing a feeling of extreme dislike.  Now, it would be significantly different if I called her the 'N' word.  That word has taken on more than the simple meaning of dislike, it has become dislike itself.

    In very specific situations 'PC' is acceptable.  The 'N' word transcended the typical taboo of words like the 'F' word and so on, here the idea of 'PC', in my opinion, is acceptable.  It wasn't just the Media and certain outspoken people who rallied against a word, but, society itself.  Which brings me to what we think of as common courtesy.

    Courtesy is very basic guidelines of behavior decided upon by society.  When you think about it, common courtesy is rather undefined and a bit loose.  There aren't exactly written rules to follow (well unless you're won of those whack job Ms Manners types), just expected responses, Please, Thank You, Pardon Me, etc.  By using common courtesy you are essentially presenting basic expressions of respect, usually in situations where you don't know the other party.  Bumping into someone on a side walk you might say "pardon me", these two quick words are basically saying, "Whoops, my bad, I should watch where I'm walking". 

    Courtesies, when you get down to it are just very basic sayings to express common sentiments that we would use regularly through out the day, typically showing deference to another person and acknowledging them.

    Courtesy and 'PC' are very different things.  PC is censorship, Courtesy is simply basic respect to help keep the ball bearings the world spins on greased.  Courtesy makes our days a bit easier.

    I think PC is, generally, a bad thing.  It's just a more polite way to express the same feelings of distrust, dislike, discomfort, etc.  Enforcing Political Correctness is just making everyone jump through hoops to make a few people feel better.  It may be politically correct to call black people African-American, yet, at the same that silly hyphenated phrase is ridiculous and ignorant.  I went to college with a guy from the US Virgin Islands, he was a 'black' kid.  It used to make him chuckle every time he was referred to as African American, since he had never seen Africa and couldn't trace his lineage to the continent.  It was just an ignorant way to put him in a box unnecessarily.  We are so focused on putting people in groups that our guilt forces us to use ridiculous terms so that we may lie to ourselves about what we really think.  Political Correctness is self delusion.  Granted, brazenly using rude language just to spite the PC crowd and make yourself feel better is stupid.  Which reminds of that old saying "It's better to keep your mouth shut and look dumb than to open it and remove all doubt".

    Treat people the way you would want to, pretty easy rule when you think about it.
    words to live by well said
    1. We go out and hit people in the mouth.
    2. We are Not a charity, we cannot give them the game.-Mike Singletary 10/26/2008
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    -Ignorance can be fixed with a book, Stupidity needs a shotgun and a shovel.
  •  11-07-2009, 12:38 PM 1892388 in reply to 1892305

    Re: Political Correctness

    kansascomet:
    Nothing wrong with a group or groups preferring a less offensive term to replace an archaic one. Nothing at all.

    I can see where someone who is severely spastic would resent being called a 'spaz' or a 'palsy' which were quite common terms to me growing up. Describing someone as 'physically impaired' instead of calling them a 'cripple' ...most folks have no problem with that.

    The problem people have with PC is that it stretches to every ethnic group there is. Forget all that xxxxx-American junk. Who cares what part of the world your ancesters came from??? Get rid of the 'feel good' labels...Call them AMERICANS...

    We will never reach the point of a race and color free society with the PC police pointing out differences at every turn...

    Most folks are ready to judge people on character alone. Sadly, it seems the PC police are not. THEY are the ones who will catagorize people according to race. THEY are the true racists. That is where the backlash against PC comes from.

    What is so hard to understand about that?
    EXACTLY!!!!
    1. We go out and hit people in the mouth.
    2. We are Not a charity, we cannot give them the game.-Mike Singletary 10/26/2008
    -Member of the Caleb Hanie Fan Club
    -Ignorance can be fixed with a book, Stupidity needs a shotgun and a shovel.
  •  11-07-2009, 12:54 PM 1892405 in reply to 1892388

    Re: Political Correctness

    I think the problem with the PC movement is pretty typical of everything Americans get their hands on.

    We always seem to take everything WAY too far.  That may be our biggest failing as a culture.


    Religion and sex are power plays
    Manipulate the people for the money they pay
    Selling skin, selling God
    The numbers look the same on their credit cards
    --- Queensryche
  •  11-07-2009, 12:55 PM 1892406 in reply to 1891676

    Re: Political Correctness

    Decatur Staley:
    bearmick:
    Decatur Staley:

    bearmick:
    Why are white males so uptight about being asked to just take a second to try and use non-offensive terminology when referring to people different to them?  Do they really feel so persecuted and opressed over this?

    Why are white males the only ones expected to follow said political correctness?

    I don't think they should be.  A purposeful, basic attempt not to offend people should be a courtesy everyone should extend.

    I've got no problem with that... but I would argue that white males are held to a higher standard of expectations for political correctness.

    Which might explain why some feel overly persecuted over PC'ness.

    I am a white male and i don't use offensive terms towards people who are different from me.

  •  11-07-2009, 1:00 PM 1892410 in reply to 1892383

    Re: Political Correctness

    thicknthin:
    Mozart1220:
    thicknthin:
    Mozart1220:
    bearmick:

    thicknthin:
      Respect is something we earn by our own merits.....not our race or gender. PC is racist and/or discriminatory which only causes more unrest and anxiety in our society......fugetaboutit!

    That's actually a logical and intelligent argument against PC. 

    Thank God there's a right-winger out there with a brain.  I was beginning to worry.

     

    Most respect must be earned, true...but we CAN start with basic human respect.  Why insult or anger people who have done nothing to you?


     Same can be said for insulting or angering people that don`t agree with you...it happens all the time on this MB and you know who is probably more guilty of it than most. Maybe you should stop being so sensitive yourself.

    Maybe we should just treat each other with respect and cut out the namecalling and insults.  It's not about being sensitive.  You guys can't hurt me.  It's about not having adult conversation banned again.

    As for angering people, I can't help it if my differing views get them riled up. It's their problem not mine.


       But you are one of them leading the crusade for PC on this thread.

    How so?  I just don't see the need for namecalling and don't want adult conversation banned. Nothing "PC" about that.

    People follow leaders that have credibility, not those engulfed in hypocricy. If you are serious about your cause then start leading by example. Calling people "tin hats" and "right -wing nut jobs" will not get it done tongue tied [*tot*].

    I challenge you to find any post where I have used those terms. The "nut job" thing MAYBE, but only in reference to Beck Or Limbaugh, (Hannity is just a coward) where you must admit it really applies.



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  •  11-07-2009, 1:08 PM 1892422 in reply to 1892405

    Re: Political Correctness

    Mozart1220:

    I think the problem with the PC movement is pretty typical of everything Americans get their hands on.

    We always seem to take everything WAY too far.  That may be our biggest failing as a culture.



    That may be true for a small sample of academians, but not for Americans as a whole.

    People are tired of that small sample telling everyone how to think. People are tolerant and forgiving of differences on their own, not because they  are told to be so.

  •  11-07-2009, 1:24 PM 1892434 in reply to 1892405

    Re: Political Correctness

    Mozart1220:

    I think the problem with the PC movement is pretty typical of everything Americans get their hands on.

    We always seem to take everything WAY too far.  That may be our biggest failing as a culture.

     

    Agreed 100%


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  •  11-07-2009, 1:28 PM 1892437 in reply to 1892422

    Re: Political Correctness

    kansascomet:
    Mozart1220:

    I think the problem with the PC movement is pretty typical of everything Americans get their hands on.

    We always seem to take everything WAY too far.  That may be our biggest failing as a culture.



    That may be true for a small sample of academians, but not for Americans as a whole.

    People are tired of that small sample telling everyone how to think. People are tolerant and forgiving of differences on their own, not because they  are told to be so.

    What's your deal with academia?  It's the diamond of our country.

     





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  •  11-07-2009, 1:36 PM 1892443 in reply to 1892437

    Re: Political Correctness

    bearmick:
    kansascomet:
    Mozart1220:

    I think the problem with the PC movement is pretty typical of everything Americans get their hands on.

    We always seem to take everything WAY too far.  That may be our biggest failing as a culture.



    That may be true for a small sample of academians, but not for Americans as a whole.

    People are tired of that small sample telling everyone how to think. People are tolerant and forgiving of differences on their own, not because they  are told to be so.

    What's your deal with academia?  It's the diamond of our country.

     



    Nothing. As long as they stick to teaching students, and staying out of social engineering, I'm fine.

  •  11-07-2009, 1:50 PM 1892446 in reply to 1892437

    Re: Political Correctness

    bearmick:
    kansascomet:
    Mozart1220:

    I think the problem with the PC movement is pretty typical of everything Americans get their hands on.

    We always seem to take everything WAY too far.  That may be our biggest failing as a culture.



    That may be true for a small sample of academians, but not for Americans as a whole.

    People are tired of that small sample telling everyone how to think. People are tolerant and forgiving of differences on their own, not because they  are told to be so.

    What's your deal with academia?  It's the diamond of our country.

     



    And BTW, I used the words "small sample of academia" to highlight the fact that that is where this whole school of thought regarding PC comes from. To avoid stereotyping all of academia. Did you miss that? 

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