How about now :D

Thanks for those who do this, it's really awesome to be able to predict how much money the Bears have to work with each year.

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FOR NOW $1.035 mill is cutler's cap #

 

Contract Information for Jay Cutler
		7/27/2006: Signed a six-year, $47.86 million contract. The deal contains $11 million guaranteed, including a $1.7 million signing bonus. 2009: $1.035 million (+ $100,000 workout bonus), 2010: $1.4225 million (+ $4 million roster bonus), 2011: $1.81 million (+ $12 million roster bonus) 2012: Free Agent. 45% of the deal's max value is performance incentives. Among them is a $1.95 million escalator for any year of 2006-2010 that he finishes in the top five in any of the NFL's major passing categories, as well as a $4 million bonus for taking 70% of the snaps in 2009. There also is a $500,000 bonus available 2006-2010 for taking 70% of the snaps and either taking 70% of the snaps in a Super Bowl or winning a Super Bowl.

dbears54:

FOR NOW $1.035 mill is cutler's cap #

 

Contract Information for Jay Cutler
		7/27/2006: Signed a six-year, $47.86 million contract. The deal contains $11 million guaranteed, including a $1.7 million signing bonus. 2009: $1.035 million (+ $100,000 workout bonus), 2010: $1.4225 million (+ $4 million roster bonus), 2011: $1.81 million (+ $12 million roster bonus) 2012: Free Agent. 45% of the deal's max value is performance incentives. Among them is a $1.95 million escalator for any year of 2006-2010 that he finishes in the top five in any of the NFL's major passing categories, as well as a $4 million bonus for taking 70% of the snaps in 2009. There also is a $500,000 bonus available 2006-2010 for taking 70% of the snaps and either taking 70% of the snaps in a Super Bowl or winning a Super Bowl.

Wouldn't the $4 million bonus for taking 70% of the snaps be part of his cap # as well? Since he did that last year doesn't it make it a LTBE?

scotty54:

dbears54:

FOR NOW $1.035 mill is cutler's cap #

 

Contract Information for Jay Cutler
		7/27/2006: Signed a six-year, $47.86 million contract. The deal contains $11 million guaranteed, including a $1.7 million signing bonus. 2009: $1.035 million (+ $100,000 workout bonus), 2010: $1.4225 million (+ $4 million roster bonus), 2011: $1.81 million (+ $12 million roster bonus) 2012: Free Agent. 45% of the deal's max value is performance incentives. Among them is a $1.95 million escalator for any year of 2006-2010 that he finishes in the top five in any of the NFL's major passing categories, as well as a $4 million bonus for taking 70% of the snaps in 2009. There also is a $500,000 bonus available 2006-2010 for taking 70% of the snaps and either taking 70% of the snaps in a Super Bowl or winning a Super Bowl.

Wouldn't the $4 million bonus for taking 70% of the snaps be part of his cap # as well? Since he did that last year doesn't it make it a LTBE?

yeah i adjusted it to 5 mill for 2009 and it might even be 7 mill withe 1.95 mill trying to get a clarification on iyts its a LTBE or UTBE

I appreciate all the salary information on the different players, but can you please just let us know how much room we have left under the cap for 2009 so we can see if we have room to sign any other players?  thanks

Any word on the pace contract yet? Thanks again for all you do!

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J Snazzy:

Any word on the pace contract yet? Thanks again for all you do!

Its not official, but its a $15 million 3 year deal with $6.1mil up front.

Source: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4037565

So that cuts our cap space to only $6 million.

DBears, would we gain any space by cutting/putting a hit on Garret Wolfe?

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truebljb:

I appreciate all the salary information on the different players, but can you please just let us know how much room we have left under the cap for 2009 so we can see if we have room to sign any other players?  thanks

if look at the FIRST POST, its updated to the date and has the cap space at top : )

Updated 4/03/09

Mod's , as Usual if stick, i'll update with each move, as this will be the main topic on conversation, and for those that don't like  numbers I'll put the number left at top so don't have to look for it.

Estimated Salary cap room left-12.172 mill- rookie cap(est. $4.0 mill)

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J Snazzy:

Any word on the pace contract yet? Thanks again for all you do!

Its not official, but its a $15 million 3 year deal with $6.1mil up front. Source: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4037565 So that cuts our cap space to only $6 million. DBears, would we gain any space by cutting/putting a hit on Garret Wolfe?

nope wolfe about cap neutral and no big deal eitehr way

dbears54:

truebljb:

I appreciate all the salary information on the different players, but can you please just let us know how much room we have left under the cap for 2009 so we can see if we have room to sign any other players?  thanks

if look at the FIRST POST, its updated to the date and has the cap space at top : )

Updated 4/03/09

Mod's , as Usual if stick, i'll update with each move, as this will be the main topic on conversation, and for those that don't like  numbers I'll put the number left at top so don't have to look for it.

Estimated Salary cap room left-12.172 mill- rookie cap(est. $4.0 mill)

 Got a question for you...Does every team get the same amount of $$ for the draft ? I was thinking, if a team like Chicago has 12 picks in last years draft and Washington has, let's say 5, how do they figure what their cap space is gonna be?

BTW So we have over 12 Mil available for FA and only 4 mil for the draft?

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truebljb:

I appreciate all the salary information on the different players, but can you please just let us know how much room we have left under the cap for 2009 so we can see if we have room to sign any other players?  thanks

if look at the FIRST POST, its updated to the date and has the cap space at top : )

Updated 4/03/09

Mod's , as Usual if stick, i'll update with each move, as this will be the main topic on conversation, and for those that don't like  numbers I'll put the number left at top so don't have to look for it.

Estimated Salary cap room left-12.172 mill- rookie cap(est. $4.0 mill)

I didnt find Orlando Pace in your roster, so is that 12.172 million cap room without Pace's contract?

Hopefully the information I got from espn.com about it being a 3 year deal worth $15 million with $6.5 million the first year is false. How could the first year be worth over a third of the contract? Dont teams normally gradiate the yearly salary up not down?

Anyway, what is your estimate of how much Orlando Pace is going to cost our cap this year? Thanks.

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Chitown777:

dbears54:

truebljb:

I appreciate all the salary information on the different players, but can you please just let us know how much room we have left under the cap for 2009 so we can see if we have room to sign any other players?  thanks

if look at the FIRST POST, its updated to the date and has the cap space at top : )

Updated 4/03/09

Mod's , as Usual if stick, i'll update with each move, as this will be the main topic on conversation, and for those that don't like  numbers I'll put the number left at top so don't have to look for it.

Estimated Salary cap room left-12.172 mill- rookie cap(est. $4.0 mill)

 Got a question for you...Does every team get the same amount of $$ for the draft ? I was thinking, if a team like Chicago has 12 picks in last years draft and Washington has, let's say 5, how do they figure what their cap space is gonna be?

BTW So we have over 12 Mil available for FA and only 4 mil for the draft?

Nope, each team gets a cap amount based on amount of draft picks AND slot they are at.. last year #'s  went from $4.2 mill-$6.8 million, bears were 5.5 million, based on # of picks and where, they announce this usually 2 weeks after draft

W/o out first and one third, i'd expect us around $4 mill when announced

 

 

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dbears54:

truebljb:

I appreciate all the salary information on the different players, but can you please just let us know how much room we have left under the cap for 2009 so we can see if we have room to sign any other players?  thanks

if look at the FIRST POST, its updated to the date and has the cap space at top : )

Updated 4/03/09

Mod's , as Usual if stick, i'll update with each move, as this will be the main topic on conversation, and for those that don't like  numbers I'll put the number left at top so don't have to look for it.

Estimated Salary cap room left-12.172 mill- rookie cap(est. $4.0 mill)

I didnt find Orlando Pace in your roster, so is that 12.172 million cap room without Pace's contract? Hopefully the information I got from espn.com about it being a 3 year deal worth $15 million with $6.5 million the first year is false. How could the first year be worth over a third of the contract? Dont teams normally gradiate the yearly salary up not down? Anyway, what is your estimate of how much Orlando Pace is going to cost our cap this year? Thanks.

Yeah have not subtracted pace yet.. uts 6.1 not 6.5 million, but waiting until see the final breakdown of teh 6.1 million, whow much is his signing bonus and how much salary( let's say a 4 million signing bonus and 2.1 milion salary? or maybe 5 million SB and 1.1 mill salsry?, until see the NFLPA #'s on monday holding off for now

it would come in the 3-4 mill range would be my guess

Bears 2009 Draft

2nd round - Duke Robinson - OG - Oklahoma

3rd round - Ramses Barden - WR - Cal Poly

4th round - Sammie Lee Hill - DT - Stillman

5th round - Devin Moore - RB - Wyoming

5th round - Henry Melton - DE - Texas

6th round - Jason Williams - OLB - WIU

7th round - David Johnson - FB - Arkansas State

7th round - Bradley Fletcher - FS - Iowa

 Duke provide the power inside running game ( also enhance Cutlers play action), and the Duke can stand up against Vikings Dline.

Barden is a bit of a reach but Bears already have speed with Devin Hester and Aromasodu, Slot guys like Davis and Bennett, but what Barden offers are unstopable slants and fades with tremendous size and decent speed.

Sammie Lee keeps him away from the Packers (new 3-4 defense) and gives the Bears a strong playmaker inside against even the Vikings and would allow Tommy Harris to be moved to defensive end in the mode of Reggie White.

Devin Moore can be used as third down RB or WR for draws, swings or screens

Melton would really benefit from Rod's coaching and could be better sooner than anyone thinks.

Jason Williams for insurance for Urlacker getting too old to play MLB (test Brian at Safety at this point in his career).

David Johnson so when we say run the freaking ball we really mean it with a 271 lbs FB lead blocker with decent speed.

Bradley Fletcher if he is still available he would be a steal at this point in the draft smarter then gifted but solid here,

dbears54:

Chitown777:

dbears54:

truebljb:

I appreciate all the salary information on the different players, but can you please just let us know how much room we have left under the cap for 2009 so we can see if we have room to sign any other players?  thanks

if look at the FIRST POST, its updated to the date and has the cap space at top : )

Updated 4/03/09

Mod's , as Usual if stick, i'll update with each move, as this will be the main topic on conversation, and for those that don't like  numbers I'll put the number left at top so don't have to look for it.

Estimated Salary cap room left-12.172 mill- rookie cap(est. $4.0 mill)

 Got a question for you...Does every team get the same amount of $$ for the draft ? I was thinking, if a team like Chicago has 12 picks in last years draft and Washington has, let's say 5, how do they figure what their cap space is gonna be?

BTW So we have over 12 Mil available for FA and only 4 mil for the draft?

Nope, each team gets a cap amount based on amount of draft picks AND slot they are at.. last year #'s  went from $4.2 mill-$6.8 million, bears were 5.5 million, based on # of picks and where, they announce this usually 2 weeks after draft

W/o out first and one third, i'd expect us around $4 mill when announced

 

 

 

 Thanks, I didn't know that. I would imagine that JA will save the rest of that $$ til the end of the draft to see which veterans get cut. I say JA needs to go WR in the 2nd round. Look for JA to package Vasher to trade up in the draft.

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Chitown777:

dbears54:

Chitown777:

dbears54:

truebljb:

I appreciate all the salary information on the different players, but can you please just let us know how much room we have left under the cap for 2009 so we can see if we have room to sign any other players?  thanks

if look at the FIRST POST, its updated to the date and has the cap space at top : )

Updated 4/03/09

Mod's , as Usual if stick, i'll update with each move, as this will be the main topic on conversation, and for those that don't like  numbers I'll put the number left at top so don't have to look for it.

Estimated Salary cap room left-12.172 mill- rookie cap(est. $4.0 mill)

 Got a question for you...Does every team get the same amount of $$ for the draft ? I was thinking, if a team like Chicago has 12 picks in last years draft and Washington has, let's say 5, how do they figure what their cap space is gonna be?

BTW So we have over 12 Mil available for FA and only 4 mil for the draft?

Nope, each team gets a cap amount based on amount of draft picks AND slot they are at.. last year #'s  went from $4.2 mill-$6.8 million, bears were 5.5 million, based on # of picks and where, they announce this usually 2 weeks after draft

W/o out first and one third, i'd expect us around $4 mill when announced

 

 

 

 Thanks, I didn't know that. I would imagine that JA will save the rest of that $$ til the end of the draft to see which veterans get cut. I say JA needs to go WR in the 2nd round. Look for JA to package Vasher to trade up in the draft.

can't see vasher traded, the cap hit i almsot$5 mill of dead space to cu/trade vasher, just can't see angelo wasting the space doing that

So assuming it's a 4 million hit with pace. 4 million for pace + Estimated 4 million rookie = 8 million, thus leaving approx 4 million left?

We going to roll that into next year for Cutler's contract?

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J Snazzy:

So assuming it's a 4 million hit with pace. 4 million for pace + Estimated 4 million rookie = 8 million, thus leaving approx 4 million left?

We going to roll that into next year for Cutler's contract?

would not suprise me to see that happening

dbears54:

J Snazzy:

So assuming it's a 4 million hit with pace. 4 million for pace + Estimated 4 million rookie = 8 million, thus leaving approx 4 million left?

We going to roll that into next year for Cutler's contract?

would not suprise me to see that happening

So any money a team does not use in '09 automatically gets added to the teams salary cap for the following year?  So a hypothetical scenario lets say a team spends the bare minimum in salary cap money in '09 and has oh I don't know lets say $38 million in cap space unused, this money would roll over and be added as available money to that team to use the following year?  Is that why a team like the Bucs I believe it was had an estimated $60 million or so to play with this year and we had about half that? 

thekmann:

dbears54:

J Snazzy:

So assuming it's a 4 million hit with pace. 4 million for pace + Estimated 4 million rookie = 8 million, thus leaving approx 4 million left?

We going to roll that into next year for Cutler's contract?

would not suprise me to see that happening

So any money a team does not use in '09 automatically gets added to the teams salary cap for the following year?  So a hypothetical scenario lets say a team spends the bare minimum in salary cap money in '09 and has oh I don't know lets say $38 million in cap space unused, this money would roll over and be added as available money to that team to use the following year?  Is that why a team like the Bucs I believe it was had an estimated $60 million or so to play with this year and we had about half that? 

actually NO, if you don't use it you lose it..

BUT,, what teams ahve done with "extra space", is do a LTBE( likely to be earned incnetive)= to teh space left , that a player will not get.. Ie marcus hamilton blocking 6 kicks in 2009 , that he will never do , so when its not hit , despite it counting in 2009, you get to "roll-over" the LTBE's not hit into 2010..

And yes the buc's used a few of those in 2008 to get so much space in 2009( ina ddition to losing big cap players like drerrick brooks and garthia)

dbears54:

thekmann:

dbears54:

J Snazzy:

So assuming it's a 4 million hit with pace. 4 million for pace + Estimated 4 million rookie = 8 million, thus leaving approx 4 million left?

We going to roll that into next year for Cutler's contract?

would not suprise me to see that happening

So any money a team does not use in '09 automatically gets added to the teams salary cap for the following year?  So a hypothetical scenario lets say a team spends the bare minimum in salary cap money in '09 and has oh I don't know lets say $38 million in cap space unused, this money would roll over and be added as available money to that team to use the following year?  Is that why a team like the Bucs I believe it was had an estimated $60 million or so to play with this year and we had about half that? 

actually NO, if you don't use it you lose it..

BUT,, what teams ahve done with "extra space", is do a LTBE( likely to be earned incnetive)= to teh space left , that a player will not get.. Ie marcus hamilton blocking 6 kicks in 2009 , that he will never do , so when its not hit , despite it counting in 2009, you get to "roll-over" the LTBE's not hit into 2010..

And yes the buc's used a few of those in 2008 to get so much space in 2009( ina ddition to losing big cap players like drerrick brooks and garthia)

Thanks DB,

Very interesting how the financial stuff works.  Its like each team needs a very crafty CPA to find a bunch of loopholes and ways to bend the rules just like most individuals do with their taxes.

thekmann:

dbears54:

thekmann:

dbears54:

J Snazzy:

So assuming it's a 4 million hit with pace. 4 million for pace + Estimated 4 million rookie = 8 million, thus leaving approx 4 million left?

We going to roll that into next year for Cutler's contract?

would not suprise me to see that happening

So any money a team does not use in '09 automatically gets added to the teams salary cap for the following year?  So a hypothetical scenario lets say a team spends the bare minimum in salary cap money in '09 and has oh I don't know lets say $38 million in cap space unused, this money would roll over and be added as available money to that team to use the following year?  Is that why a team like the Bucs I believe it was had an estimated $60 million or so to play with this year and we had about half that? 

actually NO, if you don't use it you lose it..

BUT,, what teams ahve done with "extra space", is do a LTBE( likely to be earned incnetive)= to teh space left , that a player will not get.. Ie marcus hamilton blocking 6 kicks in 2009 , that he will never do , so when its not hit , despite it counting in 2009, you get to "roll-over" the LTBE's not hit into 2010..

And yes the buc's used a few of those in 2008 to get so much space in 2009( ina ddition to losing big cap players like drerrick brooks and garthia)

Thanks DB,

Very interesting how the financial stuff works.  Its like each team needs a very crafty CPA to find a bunch of loopholes and ways to bend the rules just like most individuals do with their taxes.

exactly.. and the bears have one the best in the buinsess in clif Stein, who is recognized as one of the top capologists

http://www.chicagobears.com/team/FrontOfficeBio.asp?front_office_id=3

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J Snazzy:

Any word on the pace contract yet? Thanks again for all you do!

Its not official, but its a $15 million 3 year deal with $6.1mil up front. Source: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4037565 So that cuts our cap space to only $6 million. DBears, would we gain any space by cutting/putting a hit on Garret Wolfe?

have pace's salries now: 1.35 mill, 3.75 mill and 4.75  mill

Player Info	Draft Info
OL (#76)	Year: 1997
Chicago Bears	Round: 1
Weldon Springs, MO	Position: 1
Salary History
2009 1350000.00 2010 3750000.00 2011 4750000.00

So if we take the $6.1 mill first year and 11 mill first 2 years

its a 4.75 mill Roster bonus for 2009( doubt a signing bonus when have the room) and a 500,000 bonus in 2010 to equal the reported terms

So his cap # for 2010 would be  $6.1 in 2009, $4.25 in 2010 and $4.75 in 2011

I'm not sure what the "Unamortized" means when it comes to NFL and I figure you already accounted for this Dbears...but I read that we only have to pay Cutler 1 million this year because Denver is still paying for him

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfcnorth/0-10-33/Revisiting-the-cap-impact-of-the-Cutler-trade.html

"Yes, Cutler ($1.035 million) will actually count slightly less against the Bears' salary cap in 2009 than Kyle Orton would have ($1.095 million). The reason, for you cap enthusiasts: By NFL cap rules, only Cutler's base salary travels with him to Chicago. The remaining proration from his guaranteed money remains on Denver's books."

Am I reading this right?

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Here is the breakdown:

2009

$550,000 signing bonus
$1.2 million roster bonus
$250,000 workout bonus
$750,000 base salary

Total: $2.75 million
Cap figure: $2,383,333

2010

$1 million base salary
$250,000 workout bonus

Total: $1.25 million
Cap figure: $1,433,333

2011

$1.75 millon base salary
$250,000 workout bonus

Total: $2 million
Cap figure: $2,183,333

http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2009/04/dollars_and_sense_the_kevin_sh.html