kansascomet:

bearmick:

kansascomet:

Mozart1220:

I think the problem with the PC movement is pretty typical of everything Americans get their hands on.

We always seem to take everything WAY too far.  That may be our biggest failing as a culture.

That may be true for a small sample of academians, but not for Americans as a whole.

People are tired of that small sample telling everyone how to think. People are tolerant and forgiving of differences on their own, not because they  are told to be so.

What's your deal with academia?  It's the diamond of our country.

 

Nothing. As long as they stick to teaching students, and staying out of social engineering, I'm fine.

 

ALL teaching is "social engineering" to a certain extent. And it's not just a "small sample of acedemitions" (read professors, teachers, etc) that takes things WAY too far.

BTW< Do you have a problem with Churches doing "social engineering" or just teachers that happen to be too "liberal" for your liking?

In all things Americans go way overboard.   Can't just ride a bike, gotta have a "professinal" bike, and wear all the gear. Can't just buy a pack of baseball cards, gotta buy the whole collectin in a box every year. (Ruining the old "trading" cards for everyone else, not to mention lowering the value).

Can't just buy a TV, it's gotta be 7 feet across.   Tailgating used to be a quirky fun thing, now you have to practicly own a fleet of trucks with ten grills and two resuraunt sized coolers.

Can't just have a cd player and a couple decent speakers in the car, it's gotta be 50,000 watts with neon lights everywhere.

Many more examples. 

I'm almost afraid to mention how we overreacted to 9-11.  Bad as that was, England was bombed constantly for almost 5 years, and they kept their heads together. We got hit ONCE and became the most paranoid (and over nationalistic) society in history.

We can't even have an election without calling each other "N azis". 

TOO FAR.

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Religion and sex are power plays
Manipulate the people for the money they pay
Selling skin, selling God
The numbers look the same on their credit cards
--- Queensryche

Does anyone know the origins of Political Correctness? Who originally developed it and what was its purpose?

I looked it up. It was developed at the Institute for Social Research in Frankfurt, Germany, which was founded in 1923 and came to be known as the "Frankfurt School." It was a group of thinkers who pulled together to find a solution to the biggest problem facing the implementers of communism in Russia.

The problem? Why wasn't communism spreading?

Their answer? Because Western Civilization was in its way.

What was the problem with Western Civilization? Its belief in the individual, that an individual could develop valid ideas. At the root of communism was the theory that all valid ideas come from the effect of the social group of the masses. The individual is nothing.

And they believed that the only way for communism to advance was to help (or force, if necessary) Western Civilization to destroy itself. How to do that? Undermine its foundations by chipping away at the rights of those annoying individuals.

One way to do that? Change their speech and thought patterns by spreading the idea that vocalizing your beliefs is disrespectful to others and must be avoided to make up for past inequities and injustices.

And call it something that sounds positive: "Political Correctness."

Inspired by the brand new communist technique, Mao, in the 1930s, wrote an article on the "correct" handling of contradictions among the people. "Sensitive training" – sound familiar? – and speech codes were born.

In 1935, after Hitler came to power, the Frankfurt School moved to New York City, where they continued their work by translating Marxism from economic to cultural terms using Sigmund Freud's psychological conditioning mechanisms to get Americans to buy into Political Correctness. In 1941, they moved to California to spread their wings.

But Political Correctness remains just what it was intended to be: a sophisticated and dangerous form of censorship and oppression, imposed upon the citizenry with the ultimate goal of manipulating, brainwashing and destroying our society.

My first conscious exposure to Political Correctness was in 1959 – the first year of Castro's revolution in Cuba – while attending an indoctrination session at a neighborhood elementary school in Havana. There I learned for the first time of the claimed superiority of life in the Soviet Union vs. the U.S.

There I also learned that the word "compañero" (filtered version of the communist "comrade" – Fidel was denying his communist preferences) was the correct way to refer to the other members of the new Cuban society-in-the-making.

Mr., Mrs. and Miss were no longer acceptable, and their further use could reveal that you were not a Fidelista. Since repression and violations of human rights came roaring in right behind Castro's sweep down from the mountains in 1959, objection or rejection of Fidel Castro's revolution would (and still will) land you in a lot of trouble. You could easily lose your life in those summary executions at La Cabaña prison under the direction of Che Guevara.

But don't worry about Che. Che was later transformed and cleansed by the masters of Political Correctness. His likeness became a revered icon of the far left, with T-shirts and posters still adorning the campuses of America.

The same techniques were used to cleanse one of today's "heroes," Mumia Abu-Jamal (even if he was convicted, by overwhelming evidence, of killing a cop).

And under the pervasive guidance of Political Correctness that took hold from elementary school to university, from the media to the arts, from the country fields to factories and offices, Cubans learned to say what it was safe to say. Always in line with the overpowering state. Always following the dictums of the only political party left: the Communist Party.

The self-censorship resulting from Political Correctness easily trampled freedom of speech. Political Correctness has succeeded in Cuba by creating a uniform political discourse that has lasted for 43 years.

Political Correctness has given the state (Castro) complete control of speech. That is the main reason why the U.S. media cannot extract the truth of what Cubans really feel when they interview regular citizens and deceptively present their comments as valid to the American public.

The same was true in the former Soviet Union and the former satellite countries. The same continues in the remaining communist world.

It's nothing new. The U.S. media must know that, so why don't they openly report that fact instead of misleading the public? Perhaps that is the reason why the American people are so uneducated about the Cuban tragedy and acted regrettably during the Elian Gonzalez affair.

With profound dismay, I have seen how the scourge of Political Correctness has taken hold in the U.S. It is very well entrenched in our educational system, at scientific, religious and community levels, the media, the workplace and even our government.

It is changing the American society from within, and the citizens of this nation are increasingly censoring themselves and losing their freedom of speech out of fear of Political Correctness repression.

It is the nature of Western Civilization to be civilized – respectful of others and concerned with correcting injustices. We don't need Political Correctness to make us think we are not civilized on our own and must have our thoughts and words restricted.

In December 2001, in Kensington, Md., an annual firefighters Santa Claus festivity to light the Christmas tree was objected to by two families. The city council, in the name of Political Correctness, voted to ban Santa from the parade. Fortunately, due to citizen outcry, the decision was reversed in the end and many people protested by dressing up as Santa.

Logically and respectfully, how can one person's benign icon be objectionable to the point of banishment? Offer to add other people's icons. Make it a broader celebration. That's the Perfectly Correct American way.

The rulers of Political Correctness reach absurd levels when they refer to the betrayal of America by the spies Julius and Ethel Rosenberg – executed in 1953 – as "non-traditional patriotism"!

We see shameful situations created in our schools and universities in America that have fallen prey to Political Correctness. Some professors, students and publications are being attacked for expressing a point of view that differs from that imposed by a fanatical far left, under the guise of Political Correctness.

In schools and workplaces we see that "diversity" has degenerated into reverse discrimination, where often the less qualified are admitted and the incompetent cannot be fired. We have seen characters like Rev. Jesse Jackson shamelessly blackmailing and threatening to boycott entire corporations if they don't hire those selected by him or simply make "donations" to his organizations.

The Double Standard Emerges

Our Constitution requires the separation of church and state, which has always discouraged our public education system from teaching religion. However, in December 2001, while Christmas cards, symbols and decorations were being objected to for the first time in American public schools in Georgia, Maryland, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, Minnesota and Oregon, in an elementary school in Texas, a girl was allowed to give to her classmates an overview and show a video about her Muslim religion.

And in January 2002, a public middle school in San Luis Obispo, Calif., had its students pretend to be warriors fighting for Islam. Another school near Oakland, Calif., also encouraged 125 seventh-grade students to dress up in Muslim robes for a three-week course on Islam.

This arbitrary double standard was applied in the name of Political Correctness following the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

According to Ellen Sorokin's "No Founding Fathers?" published by the Washington Times on its front page on Jan. 28, 2002, even our Founding Fathers have fallen victim to the travesty. The article says of the New Jersey Department of Education's history standards,

"The latest revisions to the state standards have disappointed educators across the country, who said the board's exclusion of the Founding Fathers' names is 'Political Correctness to the nth degree.' "

Sorokin points out that "the standards specifically note that students should identify slavery, the Holocaust and modern Iraq as examples in which 'people have behaved in cruel and inhumane ways.' " Conveniently, communism is absent from that short list.

In another article by Sorokin, published by the Washington Times on March 10, "Report Blames Anti-Americanism on College Teachers," she presents two examples of upcoming courses for next spring and fall. They are " 'The Sexuality of Terrorism' at University of California at Hayward; and 'Terrorism and the Politics of Knowledge' at UCLA, a class that, according to its course description, examines 'America's record of imperialistic adventurism.' "

Recently, a historic photograph of the New York firefighters raising the American flag over the ruins of the World Trade Center was going to be made into a sculpture as a memorial.

But history's revisionists used Political Correctness to dictate that other minority faces replace some of the faces in the historical photograph! Fortunately, in the end that didn't fly either, due to the outcry of firefighters and the public.

The Goal of the PC Dictators

For people with the background and firsthand experience of living inside a totalitarian communist society, the tilt and goal of the dictators of Political Correctness in America are obvious.

The beneficiaries in the end will be the fanatic believers in the totalitarian state, who, in spite of the dismal failure of communism and the 100 million people exterminated pursuing that criminal system, have not given up.

Political and religious fanatics, as demonstrated by the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and the subsequent war in Afghanistan, are extremely dangerous in today's world.

All citizens who cherish liberty must reject the scourge of Political Correctness. Freedom of speech must be preserved in America if we are to continue to be free.

Let's say it: Castro is not a 'president,' as the U.S. media's Political Correctness calls him. Castro has not been democratically elected to anything in Cuba. The correct word to define him is 'tyrant.' He is not just a 'leader,' as the U.S. media also calls him. He is more of a criminal Mafioso-type character.

Why criminal? Because he has caused the deaths of more than 100,000 Cubans. Thousands have died through his support of guerrillas in Central and South America. Thousands of blacks were killed by Castro's soldiers in Africa. Castro in the 1980s introduced the use of bacteriological weapons to kill blacks in Angola.

How many thousands have died in America as a result of his drug trafficking into the U.S.? How many thousands have died all over the world due to terrorists trained in Castro's Cuba?

Former Soviet colonel Ken Alibek, who defected to America, was once in charge of the Soviet Union's production of biological weapons. In Alibek's 1999 book, "Biohazard," he revealed that with the help of the Soviet Union, in the 1980s Cuba created laboratories to produce chemical and bacteriological weapons of mass destruction – just 90 miles from U.S. shores.

The information about Castro's involvement with bacteriological weapons also comes from various independent sources. We must not forget either that Cuba is on the U.S. State Department's list of terrorist nations.

Why Mafioso? Well, Castro is like an untouchable godfather, surrounded by bodyguards and thugs and a private army of about 40,000 soldiers for his personal protection (roughly the size of the entire army of Cuba prior to 1959).

He stole foreign and national properties in Cuba. He has become one of the richest men in the world, according to Forbes magazine. He has created a despotic and corrupt elite to exploit the Cuban people and keep himself in power. He has made the Cuban people hostages and slaves of his corrupt regime.

The U.S. media do not call Al Capone "the former leader" of the Italian Mafia. Why the double standard with Fidel and other far-left regimes? The answer can be traced to where the sympathies lie – with the elite dictating Political Correctness in America.

It's one thing is to be educated, considerate, polite and have good manners, and another to be forced to self-censor and say things that are totally incorrect in order to comply with the arbitrary dictums of a deceiving and fanatical far-left agenda.

Let's preserve our freedom and say NO to the scourge of Political Correctness.

© 2002 ABIP

So there you go. COMMIE. LOL

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Remember what I said about Americans going too far?  

Kansas proved my point.   Blame it on "Liberals following the Germans"

Did you ever think that if we just treated each other with some respect in the first place we wouldn't NEED requirements for PC language?

Then again, if the employers hadn't been so greedy, we wouldn't have needed labor unions.

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Religion and sex are power plays
Manipulate the people for the money they pay
Selling skin, selling God
The numbers look the same on their credit cards
--- Queensryche

kansascomet:

bearmick:

kansascomet:

Mozart1220:

I think the problem with the PC movement is pretty typical of everything Americans get their hands on.

We always seem to take everything WAY too far.  That may be our biggest failing as a culture.

That may be true for a small sample of academians, but not for Americans as a whole.

People are tired of that small sample telling everyone how to think. People are tolerant and forgiving of differences on their own, not because they  are told to be so.

What's your deal with academia?  It's the diamond of our country.

 

And BTW, I used the words "small sample of academia" to highlight the fact that that is where this whole school of thought regarding PC comes from. To avoid stereotyping all of academia. Did you miss that? 

OK, fair enough.

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the "Che Guevara" of Fans First

bearmick:

kansascomet:

bearmick:

kansascomet:

Mozart1220:

I think the problem with the PC movement is pretty typical of everything Americans get their hands on.

We always seem to take everything WAY too far.  That may be our biggest failing as a culture.

That may be true for a small sample of academians, but not for Americans as a whole.

People are tired of that small sample telling everyone how to think. People are tolerant and forgiving of differences on their own, not because they  are told to be so.

What's your deal with academia?  It's the diamond of our country.

 

And BTW, I used the words "small sample of academia" to highlight the fact that that is where this whole school of thought regarding PC comes from. To avoid stereotyping all of academia. Did you miss that? 

OK, fair enough.

Not really.   He's still blaming educated people, most of whom are probably ( gasp!) "liberal"  

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Religion and sex are power plays
Manipulate the people for the money they pay
Selling skin, selling God
The numbers look the same on their credit cards
--- Queensryche

Mozart1220:

bearmick:

kansascomet:

bearmick:

kansascomet:

Mozart1220:

I think the problem with the PC movement is pretty typical of everything Americans get their hands on.

We always seem to take everything WAY too far.  That may be our biggest failing as a culture.

That may be true for a small sample of academians, but not for Americans as a whole.

People are tired of that small sample telling everyone how to think. People are tolerant and forgiving of differences on their own, not because they  are told to be so.

What's your deal with academia?  It's the diamond of our country.

 

And BTW, I used the words "small sample of academia" to highlight the fact that that is where this whole school of thought regarding PC comes from. To avoid stereotyping all of academia. Did you miss that? 

OK, fair enough.

Not really.   He's still blaming educated people, most of whom are probably ( gasp!) "liberal"  

Did you read the article???

I didn't think so.

And I'm not blaming anybody. But feel free to play the 'blame game'...

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kansascomet:

Mozart1220:

bearmick:

kansascomet:

bearmick:

kansascomet:

Mozart1220:

I think the problem with the PC movement is pretty typical of everything Americans get their hands on.

We always seem to take everything WAY too far.  That may be our biggest failing as a culture.

That may be true for a small sample of academians, but not for Americans as a whole.

People are tired of that small sample telling everyone how to think. People are tolerant and forgiving of differences on their own, not because they  are told to be so.

What's your deal with academia?  It's the diamond of our country.

 

And BTW, I used the words "small sample of academia" to highlight the fact that that is where this whole school of thought regarding PC comes from. To avoid stereotyping all of academia. Did you miss that? 

OK, fair enough.

Not really.   He's still blaming educated people, most of whom are probably ( gasp!) "liberal"  

Did you read the article???

I didn't think so.

And I'm not blaming anybody. But feel free to play the 'blame game'...

 I read the article, but feel free to continue the attacks.  Looked like you were blaming someone to me.  Check what I highlighted. 

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Religion and sex are power plays
Manipulate the people for the money they pay
Selling skin, selling God
The numbers look the same on their credit cards
--- Queensryche

Mozart1220:

kansascomet:

Mozart1220:

bearmick:

kansascomet:

bearmick:

kansascomet:

Mozart1220:

I think the problem with the PC movement is pretty typical of everything Americans get their hands on.

We always seem to take everything WAY too far.  That may be our biggest failing as a culture.

That may be true for a small sample of academians, but not for Americans as a whole.

People are tired of that small sample telling everyone how to think. People are tolerant and forgiving of differences on their own, not because they  are told to be so.

What's your deal with academia?  It's the diamond of our country.

 

And BTW, I used the words "small sample of academia" to highlight the fact that that is where this whole school of thought regarding PC comes from. To avoid stereotyping all of academia. Did you miss that? 

OK, fair enough.

Not really.   He's still blaming educated people, most of whom are probably ( gasp!) "liberal"  

Did you read the article???

I didn't think so.

And I'm not blaming anybody. But feel free to play the 'blame game'...

 I read the article, but feel free to continue the attacks.  Looked like you were blaming someone to me.  Check what I highlighted. 

Is 'placing blame' the same as posting facts?

All I did was show the origins of PC, that it originated in Germany by communist sympathizers.

Spin and twist my post anyway you wish. I don't care. But it's pretty obvious what I posted.

And for the umpteenth gozillionth time, I'm not attacking you...

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kansascomet:

Mozart1220:

kansascomet:

Mozart1220:

bearmick:

kansascomet:

bearmick:

kansascomet:

Mozart1220:

I think the problem with the PC movement is pretty typical of everything Americans get their hands on.

We always seem to take everything WAY too far.  That may be our biggest failing as a culture.

That may be true for a small sample of academians, but not for Americans as a whole.

People are tired of that small sample telling everyone how to think. People are tolerant and forgiving of differences on their own, not because they  are told to be so.

What's your deal with academia?  It's the diamond of our country.

 

And BTW, I used the words "small sample of academia" to highlight the fact that that is where this whole school of thought regarding PC comes from. To avoid stereotyping all of academia. Did you miss that? 

OK, fair enough.

Not really.   He's still blaming educated people, most of whom are probably ( gasp!) "liberal"  

Did you read the article???

I didn't think so.

And I'm not blaming anybody. But feel free to play the 'blame game'...

 I read the article, but feel free to continue the attacks.  Looked like you were blaming someone to me.  Check what I highlighted. 

Is 'placing blame' the same as posting facts?

All I did was show the origins of PC, that it originated in Germany by communist sympathizers.

Spin and twist my post anyway you wish. I don't care. But it's pretty obvious what I posted.

And for the umpteenth gozillionth time, I'm not attacking you...

If you put a problem in someone's hands it's called "placing blame". No spin or twist, except for you trying to get out of a statement.  Had it been truley factual you'd stand by it.   No shame in placing blame if that's where it belongs. Apparently you really don't believe what you are writing.  You not only blamed Germany  (N azis) but Commies as well.   All the better to connect them to college professors (read: educated liberals) so you can blame everyone but ultra conservatives.

Nice try.  

And there is no such number as "umpteenth gazillion". 

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Religion and sex are power plays
Manipulate the people for the money they pay
Selling skin, selling God
The numbers look the same on their credit cards
--- Queensryche

Mozart1220:

kansascomet:

Mozart1220:

kansascomet:

Mozart1220:

bearmick:

kansascomet:

bearmick:

kansascomet:

Mozart1220:

I think the problem with the PC movement is pretty typical of everything Americans get their hands on.

We always seem to take everything WAY too far.  That may be our biggest failing as a culture.

That may be true for a small sample of academians, but not for Americans as a whole.

People are tired of that small sample telling everyone how to think. People are tolerant and forgiving of differences on their own, not because they  are told to be so.

What's your deal with academia?  It's the diamond of our country.

 

And BTW, I used the words "small sample of academia" to highlight the fact that that is where this whole school of thought regarding PC comes from. To avoid stereotyping all of academia. Did you miss that? 

OK, fair enough.

Not really.   He's still blaming educated people, most of whom are probably ( gasp!) "liberal"  

Did you read the article???

I didn't think so.

And I'm not blaming anybody. But feel free to play the 'blame game'...

 I read the article, but feel free to continue the attacks.  Looked like you were blaming someone to me.  Check what I highlighted. 

Is 'placing blame' the same as posting facts?

All I did was show the origins of PC, that it originated in Germany by communist sympathizers.

Spin and twist my post anyway you wish. I don't care. But it's pretty obvious what I posted.

And for the umpteenth gozillionth time, I'm not attacking you...

If you put a problem in someone's hands it's called "placing blame". No spin or twist, except for you trying to get out of a statement.  Had it been truley factual you'd stand by it.   No shame in placing blame if that's where it belongs. Apparently you really don't believe what you are writing.  You not only blamed Germany  (N azis) but Commies as well.   All the better to connect them to college professors (read: educated liberals) so you can blame everyone but ultra conservatives.

Nice try.  

And there is no such number as "umpteenth gazillion". 

What the heck are you talking about? The founders of the Frankfurt school FLED Nazi Germany when Hitler came to power and settled in New York at Columbia. They were marxists.

Spinning and twisting what I post into some anti-liberalism/pro-ultra conservative stance from me. Give your strawman army a break, will ya?

Do you want to discuss the origins of PC or just spew hyperbole?

Have a nice night anyways...

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kansascomet:

Mozart1220:

kansascomet:

Mozart1220:

kansascomet:

Mozart1220:

bearmick:

kansascomet:

bearmick:

kansascomet:

Mozart1220:

I think the problem with the PC movement is pretty typical of everything Americans get their hands on.

We always seem to take everything WAY too far.  That may be our biggest failing as a culture.

That may be true for a small sample of academians, but not for Americans as a whole.

People are tired of that small sample telling everyone how to think. People are tolerant and forgiving of differences on their own, not because they  are told to be so.

What's your deal with academia?  It's the diamond of our country.

 

And BTW, I used the words "small sample of academia" to highlight the fact that that is where this whole school of thought regarding PC comes from. To avoid stereotyping all of academia. Did you miss that? 

OK, fair enough.

Not really.   He's still blaming educated people, most of whom are probably ( gasp!) "liberal"  

Did you read the article???

I didn't think so.

And I'm not blaming anybody. But feel free to play the 'blame game'...

 I read the article, but feel free to continue the attacks.  Looked like you were blaming someone to me.  Check what I highlighted. 

Is 'placing blame' the same as posting facts?

All I did was show the origins of PC, that it originated in Germany by communist sympathizers.

Spin and twist my post anyway you wish. I don't care. But it's pretty obvious what I posted.

And for the umpteenth gozillionth time, I'm not attacking you...

If you put a problem in someone's hands it's called "placing blame". No spin or twist, except for you trying to get out of a statement.  Had it been truley factual you'd stand by it.   No shame in placing blame if that's where it belongs. Apparently you really don't believe what you are writing.  You not only blamed Germany  (N azis) but Commies as well.   All the better to connect them to college professors (read: educated liberals) so you can blame everyone but ultra conservatives.

Nice try.  

And there is no such number as "umpteenth gazillion". 

What the heck are you talking about? The founders of the Frankfurt school FLED Nazi Germany when Hitler came to power and settled in New York at Columbia. They were marxists.

Spinning and twisting what I post into some anti-liberalism/pro-ultra conservative stance from me. Give your strawman army a break, will ya?

Do you want to discuss the origins of PC or just spew hyperbole?

Have a nice night anyways...

Why discuss it's origines?  Who cares?  Why bring it up at all? 

Because you know when you say "Germany" people think "Naz i".  You already have them as Commies.   What was your motivation?  You also made sure to say acedemicians" by which you mean "intellectuals" or "professors" both of whom have been attacked by the right as "Liberals".

Newty actually called them "public enemy # 1".

Come on, we all know, just own it and stop being so defensive.

Nice touch with "strawman" though. The catchphrase is alive and well.

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Religion and sex are power plays
Manipulate the people for the money they pay
Selling skin, selling God
The numbers look the same on their credit cards
--- Queensryche

Mozart1220:

kansascomet:

Mozart1220:

kansascomet:

Mozart1220:

kansascomet:

Mozart1220:

bearmick:

kansascomet:

bearmick:

kansascomet:

Mozart1220:

I think the problem with the PC movement is pretty typical of everything Americans get their hands on.

We always seem to take everything WAY too far.  That may be our biggest failing as a culture.

That may be true for a small sample of academians, but not for Americans as a whole.

People are tired of that small sample telling everyone how to think. People are tolerant and forgiving of differences on their own, not because they  are told to be so.

What's your deal with academia?  It's the diamond of our country.

 

And BTW, I used the words "small sample of academia" to highlight the fact that that is where this whole school of thought regarding PC comes from. To avoid stereotyping all of academia. Did you miss that? 

OK, fair enough.

Not really.   He's still blaming educated people, most of whom are probably ( gasp!) "liberal"  

Did you read the article???

I didn't think so.

And I'm not blaming anybody. But feel free to play the 'blame game'...

 I read the article, but feel free to continue the attacks.  Looked like you were blaming someone to me.  Check what I highlighted. 

Is 'placing blame' the same as posting facts?

All I did was show the origins of PC, that it originated in Germany by communist sympathizers.

Spin and twist my post anyway you wish. I don't care. But it's pretty obvious what I posted.

And for the umpteenth gozillionth time, I'm not attacking you...

If you put a problem in someone's hands it's called "placing blame". No spin or twist, except for you trying to get out of a statement.  Had it been truley factual you'd stand by it.   No shame in placing blame if that's where it belongs. Apparently you really don't believe what you are writing.  You not only blamed Germany  (N azis) but Commies as well.   All the better to connect them to college professors (read: educated liberals) so you can blame everyone but ultra conservatives.

Nice try.  

And there is no such number as "umpteenth gazillion". 

What the heck are you talking about? The founders of the Frankfurt school FLED Nazi Germany when Hitler came to power and settled in New York at Columbia. They were marxists.

Spinning and twisting what I post into some anti-liberalism/pro-ultra conservative stance from me. Give your strawman army a break, will ya?

Do you want to discuss the origins of PC or just spew hyperbole?

Have a nice night anyways...

Why discuss it's origines?  Who cares?  Why bring it up at all? 

Because you know when you say "Germany" people think "Naz i".  You already have them as Commies.   What was your motivation?  You also made sure to say acedemicians" by which you mean "intellectuals" or "professors" both of whom have been attacked by the right as "Liberals".

Newty actually called them "public enemy # 1".

Come on, we all know, just own it and stop being so defensive.

Nice touch with "strawman" though. The catchphrase is alive and well.

Because some people actually like to discuss a topic. Instead of just slinging around stereotypes and labels. I know that's a shock, but's it's true.

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would it be politically correct to fart in church and then say pew?

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We knew ... in that huddle ... there was a group ... destined ... to apply the kind of pressure ... that had not been seen before." ...

SAYERS5140:

would it be politically correct to fart in church and then say pew?

or Sweet Lord Jesus?

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1. We go out and hit people in the mouth.
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Mozart1220:

kansascomet:

Mozart1220:

kansascomet:

Mozart1220:

kansascomet:

Mozart1220:

bearmick:

kansascomet:

bearmick:

kansascomet:

Mozart1220:

I think the problem with the PC movement is pretty typical of everything Americans get their hands on.

We always seem to take everything WAY too far.  That may be our biggest failing as a culture.

That may be true for a small sample of academians, but not for Americans as a whole.

People are tired of that small sample telling everyone how to think. People are tolerant and forgiving of differences on their own, not because they  are told to be so.

What's your deal with academia?  It's the diamond of our country.

 

And BTW, I used the words "small sample of academia" to highlight the fact that that is where this whole school of thought regarding PC comes from. To avoid stereotyping all of academia. Did you miss that? 

OK, fair enough.

Not really.   He's still blaming educated people, most of whom are probably ( gasp!) "liberal"  

Did you read the article???

I didn't think so.

And I'm not blaming anybody. But feel free to play the 'blame game'...

 I read the article, but feel free to continue the attacks.  Looked like you were blaming someone to me.  Check what I highlighted. 

Is 'placing blame' the same as posting facts?

All I did was show the origins of PC, that it originated in Germany by communist sympathizers.

Spin and twist my post anyway you wish. I don't care. But it's pretty obvious what I posted.

And for the umpteenth gozillionth time, I'm not attacking you...

If you put a problem in someone's hands it's called "placing blame". No spin or twist, except for you trying to get out of a statement.  Had it been truley factual you'd stand by it.   No shame in placing blame if that's where it belongs. Apparently you really don't believe what you are writing.  You not only blamed Germany  (N azis) but Commies as well.   All the better to connect them to college professors (read: educated liberals) so you can blame everyone but ultra conservatives.

Nice try.  

And there is no such number as "umpteenth gazillion". 

What the heck are you talking about? The founders of the Frankfurt school FLED Nazi Germany when Hitler came to power and settled in New York at Columbia. They were marxists.

Spinning and twisting what I post into some anti-liberalism/pro-ultra conservative stance from me. Give your strawman army a break, will ya?

Do you want to discuss the origins of PC or just spew hyperbole?

Have a nice night anyways...

Why discuss it's origines?  Who cares?  Why bring it up at all? 

Because you know when you say "Germany" people think "Naz i".  You already have them as Commies.   What was your motivation?  You also made sure to say acedemicians" by which you mean "intellectuals" or "professors" both of whom have been attacked by the right as "Liberals".

Newty actually called them "public enemy # 1".

Come on, we all know, just own it and stop being so defensive.

Nice touch with "strawman" though. The catchphrase is alive and well.

Just because someone disagrees with you Moz doesn't mean it's an attack on the left.

Yes, there is a seeming hate of the educated by the 'Right'.  However, you're accusing Kansas of something that I don't think he's guilty of.  He posted some info on the origins of Political Correctness.  Since we are discussing Political Correctness, how is posting it's origin anything but pertinent?

Assuming what he posted is true (I have no reason to believe it isn't), why are you trying to change the subject from the topic at hand, to the typical right/left argument?  I would go so far to say that you are "Glenn Becking" the place up. 

ShiftyDevil:

Mozart1220:

kansascomet:

Mozart1220:

kansascomet:

Mozart1220:

kansascomet:

Mozart1220:

bearmick:

kansascomet:

bearmick:

kansascomet:

Mozart1220:

I think the problem with the PC movement is pretty typical of everything Americans get their hands on.

We always seem to take everything WAY too far.  That may be our biggest failing as a culture.

That may be true for a small sample of academians, but not for Americans as a whole.

People are tired of that small sample telling everyone how to think. People are tolerant and forgiving of differences on their own, not because they  are told to be so.

What's your deal with academia?  It's the diamond of our country.

 

And BTW, I used the words "small sample of academia" to highlight the fact that that is where this whole school of thought regarding PC comes from. To avoid stereotyping all of academia. Did you miss that? 

OK, fair enough.

Not really.   He's still blaming educated people, most of whom are probably ( gasp!) "liberal"  

Did you read the article???

I didn't think so.

And I'm not blaming anybody. But feel free to play the 'blame game'...

 I read the article, but feel free to continue the attacks.  Looked like you were blaming someone to me.  Check what I highlighted. 

Is 'placing blame' the same as posting facts?

All I did was show the origins of PC, that it originated in Germany by communist sympathizers.

Spin and twist my post anyway you wish. I don't care. But it's pretty obvious what I posted.

And for the umpteenth gozillionth time, I'm not attacking you...

If you put a problem in someone's hands it's called "placing blame". No spin or twist, except for you trying to get out of a statement.  Had it been truley factual you'd stand by it.   No shame in placing blame if that's where it belongs. Apparently you really don't believe what you are writing.  You not only blamed Germany  (N azis) but Commies as well.   All the better to connect them to college professors (read: educated liberals) so you can blame everyone but ultra conservatives.

Nice try.  

And there is no such number as "umpteenth gazillion". 

What the heck are you talking about? The founders of the Frankfurt school FLED Nazi Germany when Hitler came to power and settled in New York at Columbia. They were marxists.

Spinning and twisting what I post into some anti-liberalism/pro-ultra conservative stance from me. Give your strawman army a break, will ya?

Do you want to discuss the origins of PC or just spew hyperbole?

Have a nice night anyways...

Why discuss it's origines?  Who cares?  Why bring it up at all? 

Because you know when you say "Germany" people think "Naz i".  You already have them as Commies.   What was your motivation?  You also made sure to say acedemicians" by which you mean "intellectuals" or "professors" both of whom have been attacked by the right as "Liberals".

Newty actually called them "public enemy # 1".

Come on, we all know, just own it and stop being so defensive.

Nice touch with "strawman" though. The catchphrase is alive and well.

Just because someone disagrees with you Moz doesn't mean it's an attack on the left.

Read his post. 

Yes, there is a seeming hate of the educated by the 'Right'.  However, you're accusing Kansas of something that I don't think he's guilty of. 

That's your opinion.

 He posted some info on the origins of Political Correctness.  Since we are discussing Political Correctness, how is posting it's origin anything but pertinent?

Read the post.   He pointed out "acedemitians" and made sure he got germany and Communists in it. had they not been involved, or had it been Masons or some other conservative group, he'd have never brought it up.  

Assuming what he posted is true (I have no reason to believe it isn't), why are you trying to change the subject from the topic at hand, to the typical right/left argument?  I would go so far to say that you are "Glenn Becking" the place up. 

The usual argument "you are just as bad as he is".  Also remember, I didn't bring Beck into this.

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Mozart1220:

ShiftyDevil:

Mozart1220:

kansascomet:

Mozart1220:

kansascomet:

Mozart1220:

kansascomet:

Mozart1220:

bearmick:

kansascomet:

bearmick:

kansascomet:

Mozart1220:

I think the problem with the PC movement is pretty typical of everything Americans get their hands on.

We always seem to take everything WAY too far.  That may be our biggest failing as a culture.

That may be true for a small sample of academians, but not for Americans as a whole.

People are tired of that small sample telling everyone how to think. People are tolerant and forgiving of differences on their own, not because they  are told to be so.

What's your deal with academia?  It's the diamond of our country.

 

And BTW, I used the words "small sample of academia" to highlight the fact that that is where this whole school of thought regarding PC comes from. To avoid stereotyping all of academia. Did you miss that? 

OK, fair enough.

Not really.   He's still blaming educated people, most of whom are probably ( gasp!) "liberal"  

Did you read the article???

I didn't think so.

And I'm not blaming anybody. But feel free to play the 'blame game'...

 I read the article, but feel free to continue the attacks.  Looked like you were blaming someone to me.  Check what I highlighted. 

Is 'placing blame' the same as posting facts?

All I did was show the origins of PC, that it originated in Germany by communist sympathizers.

Spin and twist my post anyway you wish. I don't care. But it's pretty obvious what I posted.

And for the umpteenth gozillionth time, I'm not attacking you...

If you put a problem in someone's hands it's called "placing blame". No spin or twist, except for you trying to get out of a statement.  Had it been truley factual you'd stand by it.   No shame in placing blame if that's where it belongs. Apparently you really don't believe what you are writing.  You not only blamed Germany  (N azis) but Commies as well.   All the better to connect them to college professors (read: educated liberals) so you can blame everyone but ultra conservatives.

Nice try.  

And there is no such number as "umpteenth gazillion". 

What the heck are you talking about? The founders of the Frankfurt school FLED Nazi Germany when Hitler came to power and settled in New York at Columbia. They were marxists.

Spinning and twisting what I post into some anti-liberalism/pro-ultra conservative stance from me. Give your strawman army a break, will ya?

Do you want to discuss the origins of PC or just spew hyperbole?

Have a nice night anyways...

Why discuss it's origines?  Who cares?  Why bring it up at all? 

Because you know when you say "Germany" people think "Naz i".  You already have them as Commies.   What was your motivation?  You also made sure to say acedemicians" by which you mean "intellectuals" or "professors" both of whom have been attacked by the right as "Liberals".

Newty actually called them "public enemy # 1".

Come on, we all know, just own it and stop being so defensive.

Nice touch with "strawman" though. The catchphrase is alive and well.

Just because someone disagrees with you Moz doesn't mean it's an attack on the left.

Read his post. 

Yes, there is a seeming hate of the educated by the 'Right'.  However, you're accusing Kansas of something that I don't think he's guilty of. 

That's your opinion.

 He posted some info on the origins of Political Correctness.  Since we are discussing Political Correctness, how is posting it's origin anything but pertinent?

Read the post.   He pointed out "acedemitians" and made sure he got germany and Communists in it. had they not been involved, or had it been Masons or some other conservative group, he'd have never brought it up.  

Assuming what he posted is true (I have no reason to believe it isn't), why are you trying to change the subject from the topic at hand, to the typical right/left argument?  I would go so far to say that you are "Glenn Becking" the place up. 

The usual argument "you are just as bad as he is".  Also remember, I didn't bring Beck into this.

It doesn't matter if he would have brought it up if it weren't anti-left (or whatever).  What matters is that it's pertinent.  Rather than attacking the material you attack him, which is pointless.

If you want to add something to the discussion, then discuss the topic at hand.  I brought up Beck because cartoons like him attack people rather than the topic. 

only pathetically weak people that don't have the gonads to say what they feel and mean are politically correct

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Why should a white, hetero, male give a damn about equality bear mick and also why have you got a hearts shield in your sig?
Please don't bang on about being "progressive" as i find that laughable.
Rather like our D atm.

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Just another example of something.

Thanks to Kansascomet for showing the origins of the frankfurt school of Marxism.

 Also mainly to mozart why shouldn't we be able to attack your views if we don't like/agree with them.

The whole point of political correctness is to prevent people saying things "progressives" don't agree with. 

Ps also to mozart, if the 5 years of bombing in England( and Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland) you were talking about was the second world war, that was total war, not terrorism and we dealt with it by smashing the snot out their cities with our(and yours)bombing campaign.

If you were talking about the IRA bombing campaign that lasted decades, only because we were told it would upset americans who still think they are irish, did we not just slaughter them.

Mainly because we could not have paid all of our WW2 debt off in one go, which was apparently the threat used.      Still one mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist and all that huh.

 

 

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Just another example of something.

Britbowl86:

Thanks to Kansascomet for showing the origins of the frankfurt school of Marxism.

Yeah, we are all better people for knowing this.

 Also mainly to mozart why shouldn't we be able to attack your views if we don't like/agree with them.

Obviously you haven't been paying attention.  I have a list of people who regularly attack me.

The whole point of political correctness is to prevent people saying things "progressives" don't agree with. 

Yeah, THAT must be it.

Ps also to mozart, if the 5 years of bombing in England( and Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland) you were talking about was the second world war, that was total war, not terrorism and we dealt with it by smashing the snot out their cities with our(and yours)bombing campaign.

Still, The English stayed the same people they always were.  We became paranoid and overly nationalistic.  BTW. How'd we do against the "terrorists" so far?

If you were talking about the IRA bombing campaign that lasted decades, only because we were told it would upset americans who still think they are irish, did we not just slaughter them.

Nope, WWII.  But thanks for bringing up another example of a people not allowing somethng like that to change them. which is what the perpetrators want anyway. 

Mainly because we could not have paid all of our WW2 debt off in one go, which was apparently the threat used.      Still one mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist and all that huh.

That part makes no sense.

 

 

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Religion and sex are power plays
Manipulate the people for the money they pay
Selling skin, selling God
The numbers look the same on their credit cards
--- Queensryche

Mozart1220:

kansascomet:

jester:

It's not only white males that have a problem with PC as you make it sound with your usual stereotypes.

PC is built on racism, stereotypes, and discrimination.

Without that, PC falls to pieces.

The real racists are the ones who push PC.

To a point.  But I think we could also be a bit more sensitive abut how we treat people.  I have a son that's deaf.  To hear him called "hearing impared' makes me think someone is getting paid by the syllable someplace.  How is "deaf" insulting?  I don't get it, and many of the terms we are sometimes forced to use are even more insane.

But if a group of people ask to be referred to in a certain way, or NOT referred to in certain ways, what does it hurt to accept it?

I worked with a Black kid who, at 21,  had never really heard the term "Negro" used in public. We heard a lady from the south on the radio saying (About Obama) that "I'm not a racist, I have many "Negro" friends..."

We thought that was hilarious. So we started putting the term everywhere.  Here's a fun game.  Take Star Wars, and and every time they say "Jedi" replace it with "Negro".   It just got too funny.

But had he been offended, I would never have thought of doing it.  Why bother?

I think most people would accept that.  The problem is the "PC Police" try to convince groups that certain terms are insulting and they should not accept it.  Take your son for example.  Somewhere someone who is probably not deaf or had a deaf child decided that it is insulting for people who are hearing impaired to be labled "deaf".  You are 100% correct that some people take things way too far.

Mozart1220:

kansascomet:

bearmick:

kansascomet:

Mozart1220:

I think the problem with the PC movement is pretty typical of everything Americans get their hands on.

We always seem to take everything WAY too far.  That may be our biggest failing as a culture.

That may be true for a small sample of academians, but not for Americans as a whole.

People are tired of that small sample telling everyone how to think. People are tolerant and forgiving of differences on their own, not because they  are told to be so.

What's your deal with academia?  It's the diamond of our country.

 

Nothing. As long as they stick to teaching students, and staying out of social engineering, I'm fine.

 

ALL teaching is "social engineering" to a certain extent. And it's not just a "small sample of acedemitions" (read professors, teachers, etc) that takes things WAY too far.

BTW< Do you have a problem with Churches doing "social engineering" or just teachers that happen to be too "liberal" for your liking?

In all things Americans go way overboard.   Can't just ride a bike, gotta have a "professinal" bike, and wear all the gear. Can't just buy a pack of baseball cards, gotta buy the whole collectin in a box every year. (Ruining the old "trading" cards for everyone else, not to mention lowering the value).

Can't just buy a TV, it's gotta be 7 feet across.   Tailgating used to be a quirky fun thing, now you have to practicly own a fleet of trucks with ten grills and two resuraunt sized coolers.

Can't just have a cd player and a couple decent speakers in the car, it's gotta be 50,000 watts with neon lights everywhere.

Many more examples. 

I'm almost afraid to mention how we overreacted to 9-11.  Bad as that was, England was bombed constantly for almost 5 years, and they kept their heads together. We got hit ONCE and became the most paranoid (and over nationalistic) society in history.

We can't even have an election without calling each other "N azis". 

TOO FAR.

You are off your rocker...um we were attacked and a bright nice sunny day in september with no hint of an attack...not at war, no major empire on the horizon threatening us and bam attacked.  England knew about germany, knew attacks were going to happen, were some what prepared, knew that germany out gunned them.  We today are a super power, you don't get to be a super power by letting 3rd world wackos blow out tow of your biggest buildings and killing 3K+ and destroying an economy for a few yrs.  talk about apologetic revisionist liberal crap.

And hell yes if I want to buy a 55'' TV and I can afford it...heck yeah I buying it.  This is America and if someone wants to tailgate "their" way who the heck is it hurting?  Actually helping many because what they spend helps the economy.  I do hate the thumpen stereos however.  send those people to jail.

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snowcow:

Mozart1220:

kansascomet:

bearmick:

kansascomet:

Mozart1220:

I think the problem with the PC movement is pretty typical of everything Americans get their hands on.

We always seem to take everything WAY too far.  That may be our biggest failing as a culture.

That may be true for a small sample of academians, but not for Americans as a whole.

People are tired of that small sample telling everyone how to think. People are tolerant and forgiving of differences on their own, not because they  are told to be so.

What's your deal with academia?  It's the diamond of our country.

 

Nothing. As long as they stick to teaching students, and staying out of social engineering, I'm fine.

 

ALL teaching is "social engineering" to a certain extent. And it's not just a "small sample of acedemitions" (read professors, teachers, etc) that takes things WAY too far.

BTW< Do you have a problem with Churches doing "social engineering" or just teachers that happen to be too "liberal" for your liking?

In all things Americans go way overboard.   Can't just ride a bike, gotta have a "professinal" bike, and wear all the gear. Can't just buy a pack of baseball cards, gotta buy the whole collectin in a box every year. (Ruining the old "trading" cards for everyone else, not to mention lowering the value).

Can't just buy a TV, it's gotta be 7 feet across.   Tailgating used to be a quirky fun thing, now you have to practicly own a fleet of trucks with ten grills and two resuraunt sized coolers.

Can't just have a cd player and a couple decent speakers in the car, it's gotta be 50,000 watts with neon lights everywhere.

Many more examples. 

I'm almost afraid to mention how we overreacted to 9-11.  Bad as that was, England was bombed constantly for almost 5 years, and they kept their heads together. We got hit ONCE and became the most paranoid (and over nationalistic) society in history.

We can't even have an election without calling each other "N azis". 

TOO FAR.

You are off your rocker...um we were attacked and a bright nice sunny day in september with no hint of an attack...not at war, no major empire on the horizon threatening us and bam attacked.  England knew about germany, knew attacks were going to happen, were some what prepared, knew that germany out gunned them.  We today are a super power, you don't get to be a super power by letting 3rd world wackos blow out tow of your biggest buildings and killing 3K+ and destroying an economy for a few yrs.  talk about apologetic revisionist liberal crap.

And hell yes if I want to buy a 55'' TV and I can afford it...heck yeah I buying it.  This is America and if someone wants to tailgate "their" way who the heck is it hurting?  Actually helping many because what they spend helps the economy.  I do hate the thumpen stereos however.  send those people to jail.

what cloud are you living on? our government had several warnings about possible terrorist attacks towards the US months prior to the 9/11 attacks, and chose to do nothing about it

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onebud34:

bearmick:

onebud34:

bearmick:

onebud34:

Mozart1220:

onebud34:

Political correctness is overrated

Courtesy and respect is not.

They are not directly related.

Of course they are.

You don't have to respect something to be politically correct.

 

 

There are different kinds of respect.  The respect one might have for a teacher or mother is a kind of respect..  Moz was talking talking about the basic respect we should afford each other out of simple courtesy as opposed to being ignorant and obnoxious.

I hear ya...what I'm saying is that when you might be politically correct you might also be offending or disresepcting. This whole PC thing has gotten way out of whack IMO.

For instance...someone could address an African-America out of "political correctness" but that person would rather be called black.

I'm not one for being obnoxious...but also not one for walking on eggshells for fact I might hurt someones feelings.

This is true, I work with several african americans who have said they don't like being called African Americans in their words "I wouldn't care to visit Africa let alone say I'm from there" so it's an individual choice you can't just ball up everyone in one ball of wax and assume they like being called the same thing. That being said I think most African Americans want to be called that but you can't say ALL of them, so IMO as long as you have respect for that person whether you call him/her Black or African American that should be all that matters.

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