Wrong! Rookie salary cap is a % of either the salary cap, or teams overall salary, I forget which,it`s been awhile since I did the research. Anyway, each teams cap is determined for that team, by the panel of player reps & management reps, and nobody knows how they do it, because the bargaining agreement prohibits the release of that information. In other words, all 32 teams could have a different %, meaning a different rookie salary cap for each team. I assume, based on my previous research, and what was implied, that the panel takes into consideration, the number of choices, their position in each round, the round, and the position they play, the teams salary and cap situation, etc, crunching the numbers and the money, when determining what the rookie cap will be for each team. I won`t get any deeper into the subject, but that is definitely how it works. Don`t believe me? All you have to do is do the search and research yourself.

bear nut:

Wrong! Rookie salary cap is a % of either the salary cap, or teams overall salary, I forget which,it`s been awhile since I did the research. Anyway, each teams cap is determined for that team, by the panel of player reps & management reps, and nobody knows how they do it, because the bargaining agreement prohibits the release of that information. In other words, all 32 teams could have a different %, meaning a different rookie salary cap for each team. I assume, based on my previous research, and what was implied, that the panel takes into consideration, the number of choices, their position in each round, the round, and the position they play, the teams salary and cap situation, etc, crunching the numbers and the money, when determining what the rookie cap will be for each team. I won`t get any deeper into the subject, but that is definitely how it works. Don`t believe me? All you have to do is do the search and research yourself.

you on drugs?

or just make up crap hoping some fools beleive your nonsense? It is based on exactly what I said the # of picks and what round.. I feel bad you need to make stuff up

here ya go

http://www.thesportjournal.org/article/nfl-rookie-cap-empirical-analysis-one-nfls-most-closely-guarded-secrets

. The Rookie Cap rises in tandem, keeping rookie salaries from rising more quickly than their veteran peers. Created by the NFL Management Council However, it is based on the number and round of each franchise's draft selections. Article XVII of the amended 2006 CBA states: "The list of each Formula Allotment attributed to each draft selection shall be agreed to by the NFL and the NFLPA, and shall not be disclosed to Clubs, Players, Player Agents or the public."

Each May, Senior ESPN writer and analyst Len Pasquarelli covers the NFL's unveiling of the current season's Rookie Cap. In May of 2007 he wrote, "The formula for deriving each team's rookie pool is regarded as Byzantine even by the most astute team officials, and is basically a function of how many overall choices a franchise makes and where those picks are slotted in each round."

izzy signs 2 years for 7 mil and 3 mil guaranteed.

more detials to follow

The deal carries through the 2011 season and is worth $7 million in new money. Idonije, who was set to earn $1.75 million this season, will get $3 million guaranteed in the deal. It wasn't the only business the Bears got done at Halas Hall Friday morning. The club also announced the signing of six of its nine draft picks.
The draft picks signed are: D.J. Moore, Johnny Knox, Marcus Freeman, Al Afalava, Lance Louis and Derek Kinder.
Check back soon for more information.

Idonije was due to become an unrestricted free agent after this season. He was on the books to earn $1.75 million in 2009. Here is what we have of the breakdown to this point:

2009

$2 million in guaranteed bonuses
$1.75 million base salary

2010

$2.5 million base salary ($1 million guaranteed)

2011

$2.5 million base salary

Whaaaaaa? Your reply confirms what I said! How does that corellate to my being on drugs? We actually have no way of knowing exactly how each teams cap is determined, because that information is not released or known by the public, according to the bargaining agreement. That`s what I told you, so why imply that I make stuff up? Your implication that there is some set formula that allows the cap to be predicted, was, and is, wrong, period!

one again you  claimed

bear nut

Wrong! Rookie salary cap is a % of either the salary cap, or teams overall salary, I forget which,it`s been awhile since I did the research.

the above is 100% completely wrong wrong. It has nothing to do with % of the salry cap or over-all team salary, as stated and you ignore its based on a the number of draft picks and round, *nothing* to do with a % of the overall cap, sorry

http://www.thesportjournal.org/article/nfl-rookie-cap-empirical-analysis-one-nfls-most-closely-guarded-secrets

. The Rookie Cap rises in tandem, keeping rookie salaries from rising more quickly than their veteran peers. Created by the NFL Management Council However, it is based on the number and round of each franchise's draft selections. Article XVII of the amended 2006 CBA states: "The list of each Formula Allotment attributed to each draft selection shall be agreed to by the NFL and the NFLPA, and shall not be disclosed to Clubs, Players, Player Agents or the public."

Each May, Senior ESPN writer and analyst Len Pasquarelli covers the NFL's unveiling of the current season's Rookie Cap. In May of 2007 he wrote, "The formula for deriving each team's rookie pool is regarded as Byzantine even by the most astute team officials, and is basically a function of how many overall choices a franchise makes and where those picks are slotted in each round."

dbears54, I really don`t want to fight about this. I haven`t been able to find the article I read last summer, and the one you posted is mere speculation by the sports journal, leaving confusion and uncertainty to this topic. For the sake of clarity, since I don`t have the ability, would you do us all a favor and go to nflplayers.com, find the article titled " Rookie Contract Rules Dissected" June 17, 2008, and post it in this thread for us. We can discuss the matter further from there. Thanks!

bear nut:

dbears54, I really don`t want to fight about this. I haven`t been able to find the article I read last summer, and the one you posted is mere speculation by the sports journal, leaving confusion and uncertainty to this topic. For the sake of clarity, since I don`t have the ability, would you do us all a favor and go to nflplayers.com, find the article titled " Rookie Contract Rules Dissected" June 17, 2008, and post it in this thread for us. We can discuss the matter further from there. Thanks!

tried their search engine on nflpa and nothing comes back, sorry

as said i gave you the rules and how its figured( and link), can't help you anymore than that

but did a google search and found it, and said EXACTLY WHAT I SAID the rookie cap each team has is based on the amount of picks and where each pick slotted, according to mark levin  the union salary cap and agent admin.

Rookie Contract Rules Dissected
By The NFLPA


“Each Club’s allocation of the Rookie Pool is different because it is based on the number of draft picks a club has and where those picks fall,” said NFLPA Director of Salary Cap & Agent Administration Mark Levin. “For example, a club drafting first in each round of the draft will have a considerably higher pool allocation than the club drafting last in each round.”

 

salries for all bears rookie's next 4 years:

 

Kinder, Derek
View information related to ' Kinder, Derek ' on NFLPlayers.com
Player Info	Draft Info
WR (#)	Year: 2009
Chicago Bears	Round: 7
,	Position: 42
Salary History
2009 310000.00 2010 395000.00 2011 480000.00 2012 565000.00

That`s what I was saying, and you said I was wrong.

bear nut:

That`s what I was saying, and you said I was wrong.

Nope.. but can see you jsut do this to play games, sad.

you actually said:

bearnut:

The rookie salary cap can not exceed a "%" determined by the panel for each individual team, based on their draft. Let`s say I am $30,000,000.00 under the cap, and I am assigned a rookie cap of say 5%. Let`s just say total salary is $100,000,000.00, which would mean I can spend $5,000,000.00 on my rookies, however, if I sign $30,000,000.00 worth of free agents, my rookie cap goes up to $6,500,000.00. Anyway, the number is adjustable, but the % is not.

its is NOT a % of the cap NOR DOES F/A signings have anything to do with it( they don't) Nor does signing a F/a impact the rookie cap number, you got a trifecta of wrong stuff as said.

I said it was based on the # of picks and where those picks were each roud.

I am correct and your original thought completely devoid of being right,

nice try on backtracking

Chicago Bears linebacker Pisa Tinoisamoa due to make $1 million

New Bears linebacker Pisa Tinoisamoa said he chose the Bears for the opportunity to win and compete for a starting job. But Tinoisamoa wasn't going to play for nothing, and NFLPA records show he is due to make $1 million with the Bears this season. The 2009 minimum for a veteran with four to six credited seasons is $620,000.

Tinoisamoa, Pisa
View information related to ' Tinoisamoa, Pisa ' on NFLPlayers.com
Player Info	Draft Info
LB (#)	Year: 2003
Chicago Bears	Round: 2
,	Position: 11
Salary History
2009 1000000.00

IZZY numbers: new contract

2009

$1 million signing bonus
$1 million roster bonus
$1.75 million base pay

2010

$2.4 million base pay ($1 million guaranteed)
$100,000 workout bonus

2011

$2.4 million base pay
$100,000 workout bonus

Dollars and sense: The Pisa Tinoisamoa contract

The contract he received is straight forward--Tinoisamoa was given a $500,000 signing bonus. His base pay will be $1 million. The total value of the contract is $1.5 million.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2009/06/dollars_and_sense_the_pisa_tin.html

All nine draft picks will receive four-year contracts with the following base salaries:

2009 $310,000
2010 $395,000
2011 $480,000
2012 $565,000

That makes for a base value of $1.75 million.

last 2 picks signed!! gilbert and iglessias

cliff stein is a lean, mean signing machine!

contracts to follow

Hey DB , I have been thinking we are still about 14 million dollars under the cap are we in danger of being penalized for being to far under the cap ?

Chet8503:

Hey DB , I have been thinking we are still about 14 million dollars under the cap are we in danger of being penalized for being to far under the cap ?

actually with all the rookie signings and cap, we are only $9+ million under cap, and still have camp/preseason injuries( hopefully none), so we are in Zero danger of being fined( and about 15 teams ahve even more space).. Honestly what all 32 tasm will do is in october if still ahve alot of space is extend a few vets that are going to be 2010 F/a to use it up), its a non factor for 20009, it  its going to be intereting in 2010 if goes uncapped what happens, I'll go on record now, as stating there WILL BE FAR MOR TEAMS( vikes, jacksonville, panthers,rams etc), that DO spend under what was supposed to be the cap bottom, than teams spending over what was supposed to be a the top top.. teh union is making a Huge mistake if they "think" an uncapped year "helps" the players it doesn't.. allows literally 100's of players to be stuck in cheap RFA deals for 2 more years, allows teasm to go under a self-imposed cap fllor AND it "may" only help 5-10 players..

 

By Vaughn McClure

The Bears have all of their nine draft selections in the fold after signing third-round picks Jarron Gilbert and Juaquin Iglesias to four-year deals this week. Gilbert, the defensive tackle out of San Jose State, was the team's first pick and, thus, received the highest signing bonus of the group with $886,500 guaranteed. Iglesias, the receiver out of Oklahoma, received a signing bonus of $619,900.

Like their fellow rookies,Gilbert and Iglesias will have the following base salaries: $310,000 in 2009, $395,000 in 2010, $480,000 in 2011, and $565,000 in 2012 for a total base value of $1.75 million.

Including the guaranteed money, Gilbert's contract is worth $2,636,500 and Iglesias' deal is worth $2,369,000. Each player has an escalator in 2012 that could boost the base salary.

Thanks DB , I thought we might be in danger of losing a draft choice or something like that .

Chet8503:

Thanks DB , I thought we might be in danger of losing a draft choice or something like that .

nawww, and esp this year think teams keeping "extra" cap space, jsut so can lock 1-2 guys up later in cas eof no CBA in 2010.. becuase there is more cap space floating around this league then ever.. and no one  is spending it yet, very suspicious, tells me they ARE thinking 2010 goes uncapped

I have to wonder what is going to happen with the CBA next year. Do you think there really is risk of a strike in the NFL's future. God forbid!

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I have to wonder what is going to happen with the CBA next year. Do you think there really is risk of a strike in the NFL's future. God forbid!

not in 2010.. all 2010 means is uncapped, not a strike or lockout

What will happen if not agreement, then for one seaosn we have no cap( which is both good/bad for players). "some" will benefit from an uncapped year if a F/a,, BUt mnay others , because this also means no "minimum" cap( right now teasm have to spend 90% of the cap number), teams with financial difficaulty likely wil cut alot of vets and spend alot less in 20010

Also the much bigger problem for the Union, is over 300 players will now be screwed, because Free agency goes from 4 to 6 years, for anyone with 4 years or less in league. So players like Olsen, forte. payne etc, etc.. are screwed, and the ebars don't ahve to offer anythnng until 2012 to them, except small RFA contracts( offer $2.7 mill( and can eitehr match or get a first and 3rd..) meaning for either forte or olsen and can lock them up for 2 more years w/o offering a big contract if they so choose).

So just IMO, the Owner in no hurry to get a deal done in 2010, because it will benefit them alot more than the union.

stay tuned. 2011 would be the strike/lockout year