profitsmart:

In order to have the bears  back on the right track (playoff team), we need to get rid of Lovie Smith or demote him and hire mike shanahan... Mike Shanahan was fired from the broncos and will be a prefect fit for chicago... Mike grew up outside of chicago and he knows how build a team using the westcoast offense system... that is the best possible way i can see it.. along with that he did win back to back superbowls something mr. ditka couldn't do...

As much as I do like Shanahan, I don't agree with you. I think that you need to give Lovie Smith a chance to win it all now that he finally has a decent QB running the offense. Besides, Shanahan wants too much control over everything. He wants to be the head coach and GM. That is what got him into trouble in Denver. He was trying to do too much, rather than focusing on being a head coach. As a result the defense (which is not his specialty) floundered.

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profitsmart:

In order to have the bears  back on the right track (playoff team), we need to get rid of Lovie Smith or demote him and hire mike shanahan... Mike Shanahan was fired from the broncos and will be a prefect fit for chicago... Mike grew up outside of chicago and he knows how build a team using the westcoast offense system... that is the best possible way i can see it.. along with that he did win back to back superbowls something mr. ditka couldn't do...

As much as I do like Shanahan, I don't agree with you. I think that you need to give Lovie Smith a chance to win it all now that he finally has a decent QB running the offense. Besides, Shanahan wants too much control over everything. He wants to be the head coach and GM. That is what got him into trouble in Denver. He was trying to do too much, rather than focusing on being a head coach. As a result the defense (which is not his specialty) floundered.

Lovie smith has the most wins in the NFC over the last 4 years.. got to be doing somethign right to do that : ) and agree about shanny wanting too much control. It doesn't work anymore in the cap era, and drafts couting era, where needd a HC, a GM to watch over draft/f/a and a cap guru to watch the store and make sure contracts are done right.. each adne very part must work together AND just too much for anyone to do it all now.. its not the 1980's anymore, it fails now whenever a coach tries it

The Bears' rookie pool, essentially a salary cap within the salary cap, was $3,497,111. After signing seven of their nine draft picks there simply wasn't enough rookie pool left for Gilbert and Iglesias to both get proper signing bonuses. So instead of putting the squeeze on one player, the Bears found a way to make it as fair as possible. The NLTBE, in this instance, is earned by playing time and the higher the draft pick, the better chance he has of being on the field to trigger the one-time payment. In theory, any way.

Here is how it broke down:

Jarron Gilbert, $740,000 signing bonus, $146,500 NLTBE, total bonus money $886,500

Juaquin Iglesias, $500,000 signing bonus, $119,900 NLTBE, total bonus money $619,900

Both players have escalators in the final year of the deal and with the base salaries Gilbert's contract is worth $2,636,500 and Iglesias' totals $2,369,900.

Forte deserves more.

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hurricaneditka85:

Forte deserves more.

 So what do we have left for Plax ;)

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hurricaneditka85:

Forte deserves more.

on a rookie contract, and if he performs well in 2009 , he will be rewarded, but not yet..

Chitown777:

hurricaneditka85:

Forte deserves more.

 So what do we have left for Plax ;)

we are a little under $10 mill under cap..

dbears54:

hurricaneditka85:

Forte deserves more.

on a rookie contract, and if he performs well in 2009 , he will be rewarded, but not yet..

Yeah I wish guys would stop thinking that players that put in a great rookie year should automatically be paid big bucks. Trust that Forte has incentive money coming out the butt if he performs again this year and the Bars will probably then restructure his contract.

Look at Hester, we gave him all that money last year and what we got - a lame duck last season in comparasion to anything he did the previous years. I don't think the Bears want to 'overpay for performances' again like that, even though we know he probably didn't get alot of incentive money due to the contract probably in reality.

Look at Stafford in Detroit, he is set to make more than Brady next year and the guy hasn't even sniff a field? That ridiculous and its the type of thing I'm glad the Bears aren't into with rookies.

 

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dbears54:

hurricaneditka85:

Forte deserves more.

on a rookie contract, and if he performs well in 2009 , he will be rewarded, but not yet..

Yeah I wish guys would stop thinking that players that put in a great rookie year should automatically be paid big bucks. Trust that Forte has incentive money coming out the butt if he performs again this year and the Bars will probably then restructure his contract.

Look at Hester, we gave him all that money last year and what we got - a lame duck last season in comparasion to anything he did the previous years. I don't think the Bears want to 'overpay for performances' again like that, even though we know he probably didn't get alot of incentive money due to the contract probably in reality.

Look at Stafford in Detroit, he is set to make more than Brady next year and the guy hasn't even sniff a field? That ridiculous and its the type of thing I'm glad the Bears aren't into with rookies.

 

yep, ANd it sets a VERY dangerous precident.. EACH rookie that then has a good year would "demand" a new contract in year 2 and point ti giving forte one.. you jsut enver want to do that.. want at least 2 years of proven performance,, esp at RB, where while think forte is the real deal, we have seen many fade in year 2

http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2009/07/29_days_to_camp_bears_have_mor.html

http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2009/07/bears_do_solid_job_minimizing.html

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http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2009/07/29_days_to_camp_bears_have_mor.html http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2009/07/bears_do_solid_job_minimizing.html

same numbers,, put back in the rookie cap( that biggs didn't use- 3.49 mill) and culter's 4 mill LTBE( that biggs didn't have) and have  same number FWIW

dbears54:

VicF:

http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2009/07/29_days_to_camp_bears_have_mor.html http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2009/07/bears_do_solid_job_minimizing.html

same numbers,, put back in the rookie cap( that biggs didn't use- 3.49 mill) and culter's 4 mill LTBE( that biggs didn't have) and have  same number FWIW

Bears need to lock in Forte longterm during this offseason, or have him sign an extension during the season.

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dbears54:

VicF:

http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2009/07/29_days_to_camp_bears_have_mor.html http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2009/07/bears_do_solid_job_minimizing.html

same numbers,, put back in the rookie cap( that biggs didn't use- 3.49 mill) and culter's 4 mill LTBE( that biggs didn't have) and have  same number FWIW

Bears need to lock in Forte longterm during this offseason, or have him sign an extension during the season.

think they will wait to make sure has a good 2009, and then esp if its uncapped give him a new big deal frontloaded

well with cassel getting 63 mill for 6 years with 28 mill guantanteed, and $40 mill the first 3 years, its going to up Culter's price even more, Its going to be intersting in october if we do a new deal with Jay or wait until the year is over( think the cba will dictate the "when"):

Still say culter will be a $100 mill for 8 year deal

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afcwest/0-3-2439/Cassel-s-deal-gives-Chiefs-long-term-answer-at-QB.html

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 don't necessarily fault Detroit for the deal; it was more or less the cost of doing business in this year's draft. But we've had two significant quarterback deals since April -- Cassel and Philadelphia's Donovan McNabb ($23 million guaranteed) -- and our ranking of contracts with the highest total of guarantees remains the same. Here it is, for those who want a refresher:

1. Detroit quarterback Matthew Stafford: $41.7 million
   
2. Washington defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth: $41 million
   
3. Atlanta quarterback Michael Vick: $37 million
   
4. Pittsburgh quarterback Ben Roethlisberger: $36 million
   
5. Atlanta quarterback Matt Ryan: $34.8 million
   
6. Indianapolis quarterback Peyton Manning: $34.5 million
   
7. Oakland quarterback JaMarcus Russell: $31.5 million
   
8. Dallas quarterback Tony Romo: $30 million

What player will break the $30 million threshold? And how long will Stafford remain atop the list? My colleague Matt Mosley suggested earlier this month that New York Giants quarterback Eli Manning will approach $50 million in guaranteed money. I'll continue revisiting this topic until that day arrives.

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gramster10:

HARDLY REFLECTS A CHEAP TEAM THE BEARS ARE PORTRAYED AS

yep been over 1/2 a decade since bears "cheap",but unfort some still ahven't awoken to this fact or that we have spent as wella s any team in league, and MUCH wiser than many

dbears54:

 don't necessarily fault Detroit for the deal; it was more or less the cost of doing business in this year's draft. But we've had two significant quarterback deals since April -- Cassel and Philadelphia's Donovan McNabb ($23 million guaranteed) -- and our ranking of contracts with the highest total of guarantees remains the same. Here it is, for those who want a refresher:

1. Detroit quarterback Matthew Stafford: $41.7 million
   
2. Washington defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth: $41 million
   
3. Atlanta quarterback Michael Vick: $37 million
   
4. Pittsburgh quarterback Ben Roethlisberger: $36 million
   
5. Atlanta quarterback Matt Ryan: $34.8 million
   
6. Indianapolis quarterback Peyton Manning: $34.5 million
   
7. Oakland quarterback JaMarcus Russell: $31.5 million
   
8. Dallas quarterback Tony Romo: $30 million

What player will break the $30 million threshold? And how long will Stafford remain atop the list? My colleague Matt Mosley suggested earlier this month that New York Giants quarterback Eli Manning will approach $50 million in guaranteed money. I'll continue revisiting this topic until that day arrives.

even though he won a super bowl i dont know why but i just dont see him being worth that much. maybe its just the style of offense they play but I would not make him the highest paid qb.

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Rocksteady5150:

dbears54:

 don't necessarily fault Detroit for the deal; it was more or less the cost of doing business in this year's draft. But we've had two significant quarterback deals since April -- Cassel and Philadelphia's Donovan McNabb ($23 million guaranteed) -- and our ranking of contracts with the highest total of guarantees remains the same. Here it is, for those who want a refresher:

1. Detroit quarterback Matthew Stafford: $41.7 million
   
2. Washington defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth: $41 million
   
3. Atlanta quarterback Michael Vick: $37 million
   
4. Pittsburgh quarterback Ben Roethlisberger: $36 million
   
5. Atlanta quarterback Matt Ryan: $34.8 million
   
6. Indianapolis quarterback Peyton Manning: $34.5 million
   
7. Oakland quarterback JaMarcus Russell: $31.5 million
   
8. Dallas quarterback Tony Romo: $30 million

What player will break the $30 million threshold? And how long will Stafford remain atop the list? My colleague Matt Mosley suggested earlier this month that New York Giants quarterback Eli Manning will approach $50 million in guaranteed money. I'll continue revisiting this topic until that day arrives.

even though he won a super bowl i dont know why but i just dont see him being worth that much. maybe its just the style of offense they play but I would not make him the highest paid qb.

Its the crazy part of these contracts that need fixing..

Its kinda a "shell game" scam.. you have these larger and larger rook contracts,, then the agents use that as  the "floor" for anyonedoing good, saying well is stafford and ruseell got "X".. doing nothing and my cleint wona  sueprbowl and has x,y,z stats,, he shoudl get X + 30 mill more.. and it feeds on itslef.. which is good for the superstar.. BUT since its  a hard cap, paying them so much comes out of teh 40 'rank and file" players getting less AND getting cut 2-3 years before their carrer's need to because a team is forced to replac a vet or 2 "cheaper" witha  rook to stay under cap

In the larger scheme of the cap and teams it really is a huge problem

The Bears reportedly signed free-agent guard Maurice Miller off waivers Monday night to provide some depth at the position. The 6-foot-4, 327-pound Miller was undrafted out of Mississippi but shortly after the draft signed with the Buccaneers, who released him Monday.

Well with manning signing a 6 yr 97.5 mill deal, culter jsut got more expensive..

that's $16.25 mill/yr  YIKES

stay tuned

we can struture it something like this to take advantange of maybe an uncapped 2010:

100 mill/6 yrs( jsut to keep it at eli's level for arguments sake)

$30 mill SB....

2009 - 3 mill salary $30 mill SB- 8 mill  cap #

2010- 20 mill Roster bonus 1 mill salary(change to sb if cap is in for 2010)- $26 mill cap #

2011-  8 mill roster bonus, 3.5 mill  sal= 16.5 mill cap #

2012- 8 mill roster bonus, 3.5 mill  sal= 16.5 mill cap #

2013-8 mill roster bonus, 3.5 mill  sal= 16.5 mill cap #

2014-8  mill roster bonus, 3.5 mill  sal= 16.5 mill cap #

WE NEED A ROOKIE CAP STAT!..

aaron curry signed today and got MORE in guranteed $$(35 million), than briggs whole contract and more in total value( $60 mill), than urlacher..

AT BEST, he may be as good as these 2, but not likely and even if so, will take years, so he just can't lvie up to those numbers, same for stafford , who except for manning and brady has more gurnateed $$ in his contract than any QB.. How rediculous is THAT?

these guys are almost set up to fail, or in teh least not live up to their deals.. MUCH rather see them get $10-15 mill for 3 years( what 22 year old can't "surive" on $5 mill/yr? ), and have the "extra 40 mill go for establsihed tars ona  team, and in 3 years "if" these picks are the 'real deal", they then get the huge $$'s desrve, BUT if they aren't team isn't hamstrung by deal. lockerooms much better because no jelousy that guys that are MUCH BETTER are making much less.. the system just sets up failure, and who needs that?

So far the rookies are impressing.  DJ Moore almost had a pick and Alfalava looks great with big hits.