This team seems to have a qb controversy every off season. So my question to every one is what makes up a good nfl qb to you? Is it passing yards? Is It Scrambling? Is it how long a Qb can pass? Does  Win percentage count? You can what ever stat you like. Just give some real input.

All of the above and more. 

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My Draft Analysis

Philo:

I personally doubt this team will win more than 6 games with Grossman at QB, or more than 3 with Orton there.

 

The keys in order for a good Qb.

Leadership..........making the offensive unit believe they can and will win with you at Qb. IMO, ya' don't have to be a genius to lead.

Mobility........being able to make a play when the play breaks down. This can happen two ways, 1) being able to buy your wr's extra time with one's feet or 2) being able to pick a 1st with your feet.

Strong arm.........my definition is a Vick, Elway, type-arm. Ya' want a guy who's passes do not stay in the air long.

Smart................the sense to not hurting your team in critical situations. Everybody makes mistakes and bad decisions, but a smart Qb will not consistently make bad decisions in key situtions when ya' need a play(s) to win a game.

 

 

 

I think good arm accuracy, arm strength, and winning % are the most important things. But a qb must also have that courage to come back after a failure and try to succeed. Last i think a good qb must know when it is time to audible, and when its time to tuck and run.

I think it is easier to define a bad QB.

      - Inaccurate

      - Plays it safe

      - Does not care

      - Does not understand the plays he is executing

      - Risk taker

A good QB can have a combination of any number of attributes and be successful.

      - Strong Arm

      - Balances risk with reward

      - Play maker

      - Mobile

      - Good vision

      - Student of the game

Now a player maybe a good scrambler lending them to be mobile, but maybe they are not an accurate passer (remind you of any convicts that you know of)

Or they may have good vision, student of the game, and a playmaker (such as that QB from Indy, I can't ever remember his name, if only he did commercials or something to help me remember)

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Vio
I dont care who QB's as long as we win

1. leadership

2. good arm

3. fast learning

4. isnt afraid to put it all on the line

5.accuracy

6. positive attitude

7. a neckbeard

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mlb bullpens are just like tampons they stop the bleeding

A good QB is a consistant one, someone who can move the chains.  An accurate passer, someone who makes good decisions with the football.  Good arm strenght, a cannon arm is overrated.

The ability to spray hot, sexy passes all over the field!

 

Seriously:

I'm going to base my analysis on some of the best QBs I've ever watched. This would include Montana, Young, Favre, Elway, Kelly, Brady, and Manning

1. Poise - This is also leadership, but goes a bit deeper. The ability to come through when needed, lead by example, and always keep the focus in the right direction 
2. Ability to Improv/playmaking - This is the ability to make something out of nothing. If you look at the great QBs as their 1st, 2nd and 3rd options weren't there the more time they had it appeared the more things opened up.
3. Ability to maximize their physical abilities - This isn't just having a "strong arm" it's having that arm and knowing how to use it. For players with a lesser arm (like Montana) they knew how to get the most out of their bodies. No one body type dominates, it's what they do with the body they got.

skills:
mobile (athletic)
decent arm and accurate passes
can adjust to defensive schemes
knows the playbook
mentally strong and stays calm in extreme adversity
confident in the huddle and commands respect from his teamates
accepts responsibility for execution of plays

maybe that is why hall of fame qbs are not a dime a dozen

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What an NFL qb cannot live without-

• Accuracy- The passing game can be a game of inches- a couple inches too high, your receiver cannot get it. A couple inches too short, the ball is batted down by a defender.
• Decisiveness- NFL corners do not stay beaten for long. You need to know if your guy will be open AS he is making his move- wait a second too long and you let the corner catch up. It also applies to your reads. If he is covered, move on to the next guy, and the next guy, if they are all covered, tuck and run or toss it away and never second guess it.
• Vision- You are not just looking at your target, you need to see everything within 10 yards of your target. Who is in a position to jump the pass, who is out of position, can you lead your guy into an open field, Do you put it high or low to minimize the impact of a closing defender?
• Knowledge of your playbook- Every offense will have complete breakdowns on plays- do you know where to go with the ball when it happens? Do you know who slips out as an option on a blitz and where they will be? You not only need to know the play you are running and every route associated with that play, you also need to know the contingencies of that play- How does your receivers route change in response to a corner blitz? Does the route change if the safeties come up?
• Toughness- You are going to get hit while defenseless- it is a fact. You have to pucker up and take it without letting it affect your throw.
• Short term memory/ mental fortitude- Mistakes happen. Can you shake it off and continue without letting it ruin your game?

 

Bonus attributes-

• Speed- If you are a threat to tuck and run, you occupy an extra defender. Also helps you sidestep the rush.
• Big arm- Opens up the field, gets the ball to the receiver quicker.
• Height- Gives you an extra few moments in the pocket, minimizes balls batted at the line, and increases field vision.

Extra traits of the greats-

• Legendary study habits/dedication- Manning knows every defensive formation he faces, and the plays to beat them. He can call out the pass protections and plays with complete certainty.  His knowledge of the defenses he faces is uncanny. His changes at the line are well known, but his reading of the defenses counter to his changes are just as if not more impressive. He will burn a timeout and change the play yet again if he feels the defense has read and countered his play.
• Creativeness/ determination- Steve Young was a master- moving around forever buying time while watching for an opening.  As someone who despised the 49ers during his tenure, I was frustrated time and time again watching him scramble around for what felt like hours before launching a perfect pass to Rice. Favre himself was pretty good at pulling something out of nothing.
• Unshakeable attitude- Favre and Montana were pretty fun to watch- no matter how much they were hit, how far they were down, or how many mistakes they made, they kept thier chins up and always looked like they expected to win. They never gave up.
• Uncanny physical awareness- Favre and his Iron Man streak. Manning, Elway, Marino, All of them had the ability to absorb punishment time after time without injury. Injuries can be bad luck, but being aware of your surroundings and knowing how to react is the only way you can survive as long as these guys have.

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@ 111- +732rushing, +1034 receiving, +57 tds.

vio:

I think it is easier to define a bad QB.

      - Inaccurate

      - Plays it safe

      - Does not care

      - Does not understand the plays he is executing

      - Risk taker

A good QB can have a combination of any number of attributes and be successful.

      - Strong Arm

      - Balances risk with reward

      - Play maker

      - Mobile

      - Good vision

      - Student of the game

Now a player maybe a good scrambler lending them to be mobile, but maybe they are not an accurate passer (remind you of any convicts that you know of)

Or they may have good vision, student of the game, and a playmaker (such as that QB from Indy, I can't ever remember his name, if only he did commercials or something to help me remember)

 

 

"Now a player maybe a good scrambler lending them to be mobile, but maybe they are not an accurate passer (remind you of any convicts that you know of)"

A bad OL will on many occasions cause a Qb to be in-accurate. Plus, a bad "O" system that doesn't fit the personnel can also hurt a Qb.

a good qb also needs some durability. Being injured every season cant help your team

Run and Shoot:

 

The keys in order for a good Qb.

Leadership..........making the offensive unit believe they can and will win with you at Qb. IMO, ya' don't have to be a genius to lead.

Mobility........being able to make a play when the play breaks down. This can happen two ways, 1) being able to buy your wr's extra time with one's feet or 2) being able to pick a 1st with your feet.

Strong arm.........my definition is a Vick, Elway, type-arm. Ya' want a guy who's passes do not stay in the air long.

Smart................the sense to not hurting your team in critical situations. Everybody makes mistakes and bad decisions, but a smart Qb will not consistently make bad decisions in key situtions when ya' need a play(s) to win a game.

 

 

 

No more needs to be said.....

Accurate. Doesn't matter if you have a gun or know who to throw it to if you can't hit him.

Pocket presence/smarts. Seeing the rush and the field and knowing how to respond with the ball.

Arm strength. More is better but enough will do. Wont help much if you're throwing into coverage or missing your target.

Size and mobility. Physical attributes. These can be offset by smarts, good protection, quick release and system but always an asset. I like a guy that can buy time in the pocket but you don't have to be a scrambler for success. Marino did a great job of it without being physical or fast. Brady and Manning aren't either. Brees? Anderson? Palmer? There's more great QBs that aren't considered scramblers then are.

This is not the order I would use in drafting a QB since their smarts are very hard to infer from college. It would fall to the bottom of the list but still count, especially if a guy looks to be a dolt.

People that say QB does not need a strong arm, you do realize that the strong arm is not about just the deep pass, its about the possibility of a deep pass causing defenses to play further back opening up the underneath and middle of the field.

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Vio
I dont care who QB's as long as we win

#1 Accuracy - the ability to put the ball exactly where it needs to be, to include: timing, touch, placement

#2 Poise - take the hit and make the throw; not getting rattled after mistakes; handling pressure;

#3 Winner - make plays when nothing is there, lead the team down the field when your down.

#4 Smart - know your offense and the defense your facing

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The players around him.

If they are short, have limited mobility, can't read defenses, have questionable decision making, and can't handle pressure, but have a good deep ball.  Now that's a good QB.  Having one of the lower QB ratings in the league is a sign of greatness too.

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"I just am so confused why I do some of the things I do," Grossman said." It just doesn't make any sense to me."
"It's not a matter of confidence. It's more of, `What is making me do these things?'"

"It felt like I was going to play about a half," Grossman said "It's the last game, New Year's Eve, and there were so many factors that brought my focus away from what is actually important."

He has the ability to win the game when you need him to and the ability to not lose the game when you don't need him to win it. He also needs the ability to know the difference.

I've seen all kinds of QB win in the NFL. Tall, short, fast, slow, big arm, hardly any arm, thay all have won. To go along with what I mentioned above are a few must-haves:

Must be able to buy time with his feet. This isn't about being fast or mobile though it certainly can help. Drew Bledsoe was as talented a thrower as you'll ever see but put a rush in his face he couldn't escape it. You'll never be able to build a OL good enough to cover for a QB who can't escape a rush.

Guts. While you have to be safe and smart at times, that alone isn't enough. Sometimes to make a play you have to throw into coverage and hope your WR is up to the challenge. The QB with all the records is also the same guy who threw the most interceptions.

Short memory. He can't let one bad play turn into a whole game of them. He has to believe that the next play will work and that he's on top of things.

I ranked leadership as my  #1 requirements for a good Qb. I'm surprised so few see this as a huge factor in being a good Qb. I mean I've seen many so-called "smart" Qb's, accurate Qb's and Qb's with weak arms, but if the team doesn't respond well to ya'...then ya' won't win. If a team doesn't believe in the Qb ya' won't win. Look at us.......we don't have a LEADER at the Qb spot.

Pegger:

The ability to spray hot, sexy passes all over the field!

 

Seriously:

I'm going to base my analysis on some of the best QBs I've ever watched. This would include Montana, Young, Favre, Elway, Kelly, Brady, and Manning

1. Poise - This is also leadership, but goes a bit deeper. The ability to come through when needed, lead by example, and always keep the focus in the right direction 
2. Ability to Improv/playmaking - This is the ability to make something out of nothing. If you look at the great QBs as their 1st, 2nd and 3rd options weren't there the more time they had it appeared the more things opened up.
3. Ability to maximize their physical abilities - This isn't just having a "strong arm" it's having that arm and knowing how to use it. For players with a lesser arm (like Montana) they knew how to get the most out of their bodies. No one body type dominates, it's what they do with the body they got.

Sign  me up with for one of those. 

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Players I would like us to draft in 08'.

- Chris Williams - LT Vanerbilt: Check!

- Matt Forte - RB Tulane: check!

- Earl Bennett - WR Vanderbilt: Check!

- Kevin O'Connell - QB San Diego St: (Damn) New England Pats
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Dynasty? Maybe. Three out of four ain't bad..