So many opinions,  the o-line would be better if the QB's were.  The QB's would be better if the oline was.  The RB's and Turner (also known as Turder) o-boy your opening a flood gate there....

Just because I think it starts at the top (as far as offense)  I say........................TURDER and crappy predictable play calling!!!!!!!!

YES

 

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This is how a Bears RB should run. Like Walter said..."never die easy."

Mechanic, Left Tackle Mafia.

Here to fix the ones that break down.

I agree. . .

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onebud34:

YES

 

DAMN YOU!!!!  As soon as I saw the title of this thread "YES" was the first thing that popped into my head.

all of the above

Even predictable play-calling is unstoppable if the execution is perfect.  Just ask Lombardi.

It all starts with the O-line.  If that is broke, nothing else has the opportunity to function correctly, regardless of their ability.

counselor13:

Even predictable play-calling is unstoppable if the execution is perfect.  Just ask Lombardi.

It all starts with the O-line.  If that is broke, nothing else has the opportunity to function correctly, regardless of their ability.

I know that's the in thing these days but have a look about 4 posts up in the sig line.  There's a guy in there who seemed to do fairly well despite a bad line.

djc:

counselor13:

Even predictable play-calling is unstoppable if the execution is perfect.  Just ask Lombardi.

It all starts with the O-line.  If that is broke, nothing else has the opportunity to function correctly, regardless of their ability.

I know that's the in thing these days but have a look about 4 posts up in the sig line.  There's a guy in there who seemed to do fairly well despite a bad line.

So all we have to do is find another Payton and then we won't need an oline, Genius plan.... but something seems to be missing...

turbonutn:

djc:

counselor13:

Even predictable play-calling is unstoppable if the execution is perfect.  Just ask Lombardi.

It all starts with the O-line.  If that is broke, nothing else has the opportunity to function correctly, regardless of their ability.

I know that's the in thing these days but have a look about 4 posts up in the sig line.  There's a guy in there who seemed to do fairly well despite a bad line.

So all we have to do is find another Payton and then we won't need an oline, Genius plan.... but something seems to be missing...

although many have the opinion that Payton's lines sucked, they were relly not all THAT bad.  No, they were not all HOFers, especially the late80's lines.  But I do not recall the Bears cutting two of them basically right after the season, without having a secure backup plan in place like we did this year (Miller and Brown)

As bad as Ced, Rex, KO, AP, etc. were, I am giving a bit of a pass to them for now, considering how bad our line was.  Not to mention that we cut one of our starting WR's, and let the other walk.

I just goes to prove that the Bears brass thought so little of those guys, that we let them go without having firm back ups in place.  They stunk that bad.

djc:

counselor13:

Even predictable play-calling is unstoppable if the execution is perfect.  Just ask Lombardi.

It all starts with the O-line.  If that is broke, nothing else has the opportunity to function correctly, regardless of their ability.

I know that's the in thing these days but have a look about 4 posts up in the sig line.  There's a guy in there who seemed to do fairly well despite a bad line.

Unfortunatelty he no longer plays for the team.  Having a line that can 'block' has been the in thing since long before Payton ever put on a helmet... and will be except for tyhe rare speciall breed.  He is the exception of all exceptions... and couldn't be any further from the rule.   It is unfair to think that any RB whose name doens't end with Payton, Brown, Sanders, Sayers, Dickerson, Simpson or the like can have substained success in this league with out a line that can block.

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turbonutn:

djc:

counselor13:

Even predictable play-calling is unstoppable if the execution is perfect.  Just ask Lombardi.

It all starts with the O-line.  If that is broke, nothing else has the opportunity to function correctly, regardless of their ability.

I know that's the in thing these days but have a look about 4 posts up in the sig line.  There's a guy in there who seemed to do fairly well despite a bad line.

So all we have to do is find another Payton and then we won't need an oline, Genius plan.... but something seems to be missing...

Yeah, no kidding. The "If Payton could do it every RB should be able to" philosophy is completely ridiculous.

fredler1:

 So many opinions,  the o-line would be better if the QB's were.  The QB's would be better if the oline was.  The RB's and Turner (also known as Turder) o-boy your opening a flood gate there....

Just because I think it starts at the top (as far as offense)  I say........................TURDER and crappy predictable play calling!!!!!!!!

  Turner is not the top , .  . . . in regards to how the Bears should play offense  , . .

He is a body filling space

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According to some posters around here, we can just sign 5 big fat guys of the street if we a good running back. Why waste money on the OL? Sign 5 rookies for league min, if any of them get ideas about more money cut um, and sign another rookie. Super Bowl here we come!!!!!

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most of problem o-line yes why we are need  more how good block ... last year we were poor who is blame that was bears o-line nor rb or qb no nothing do with .. i need look for bears different who name on list top so we are look our best o-line too

BOB:

most of problem o-line yes why we are need  more how good block ... last year we were poor who is blame that was bears o-line nor rb or qb no nothing do with .. i need look for bears different who name on list top so we are look our best o-line too

Huh?

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BOB:

most of problem o-line yes why we are need  more how good block ... last year we were poor who is blame that was bears o-line nor rb or qb no nothing do with .. i need look for bears different who name on list top so we are look our best o-line too

 

Of course!  My thoughts exactly (oh, hey -- I appear to have hit my head...)

 

 

Seriously, though:  most of problem o-line yes

Certainly the oline demonstrates the futility of our offensive coaching.

JA, Lovie and Ron Turner obviously don't have a clue on the finer points of the offense.

Harry H (Oline Coach) should have been screaming for better players.
Ron T should have been screaming at HH and Lovie
and Lovie should have been screaming at JA.

Instead you've got the blind leading the blind.
Remember in the land of the blind, the man with one eye is king.

So among the above listed coaches and management, they either don't recognize the problem or they are ineffective at solving the problem.

The line is very bad, but I believe the coaches and GM aren't successful coaches or managers of the offense.

Big_Tyme_D:

djc:

counselor13:

Even predictable play-calling is unstoppable if the execution is perfect.  Just ask Lombardi.

It all starts with the O-line.  If that is broke, nothing else has the opportunity to function correctly, regardless of their ability.

I know that's the in thing these days but have a look about 4 posts up in the sig line.  There's a guy in there who seemed to do fairly well despite a bad line.

Unfortunatelty he no longer plays for the team.  Having a line that can 'block' has been the in thing since long before Payton ever put on a helmet... and will be except for tyhe rare speciall breed.  He is the exception of all exceptions... and couldn't be any further from the rule.   It is unfair to think that any RB whose name doens't end with Payton, Brown, Sanders, Sayers, Dickerson, Simpson or the like can have substained success in this league with out a line that can block.

The only reason I became a Bears fan was because of Payton, but let's get realistic he was ahead of his time. He would be the best back in the league now, but without blocking in today's league not to many backs can have success, when linebackers are just as fast as the backs. Also teams have shut down LT, he's just fortunate to have some type of passing threat that can make a team back off from stacking 8 in the box all day, which then in turn helps him succeed. Too bad the Bears don't have that option

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BobInIndy:

Certainly the oline demonstrates the futility of our offensive coaching.

JA, Lovie and Ron Turner obviously don't have a clue on the finer points of the offense.

Harry H (Oline Coach) should have been screaming for better players.
Ron T should have been screaming at HH and Lovie
and Lovie should have been screaming at JA.

Instead you've got the blind leading the blind.
Remember in the land of the blind, the man with one eye is king.

So among the above listed coaches and management, they either don't recognize the problem or they are ineffective at solving the problem.

The line is very bad, but I believe the coaches and GM aren't successful coaches or managers of the offense.

 

Lovie          Ron          Harry

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sadly i have to put alot of the teams failure on the line and offensive coaching, there was no run to set up the pass, there was no offense to give the D a breather, in 2007 the same O Line did great things, Brown and Miller were horrible last year, TJ wouldnt have done much better when the 3 linemen are in the backfield before u get the ball.

As bad as Benson has been, he did warrant a 4th overall draft pick not so long ago, and did well in '06, running mo fo's over.

As bad as Grossman has become, we all remember his magical seven games from '06.

Fix the line, and the rest will follow.  If the line is solid, and our running game is still terrible, we know what the problem is.  If the line is solid, and our QB's are still getting sacked and missing receivers, we know what our problem is. 

Everything fits together, and if one is off, the rest have a hard time succeeding.  It all starts with the line.

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Philo:

I personally doubt this team will win more than 6 games with Grossman at QB, or more than 3 with Orton there.