First pick, Quarterback - Tim Tebow, Florida.
Reminds of of Ben Roethlisgurger.
Second pick, Wide reciever - Dan Skelly 6'1 178, South Dakota.
Reminds me of Marrvin Harrison.
Third pick, Safety - ?
Fourth pick, Running back - ?
Fifth pick, Defensive line - ?
Sixth pick, Corner back - ?
Seventh pick, Offensive line - ?
I think the offensive line can be bolstered with an off-season move and the return of a healthy Chris Williams.
Forte has solidified the running back spot and now is the time to find a fourth rounder to compliment him.
The defense looks great but I would love to see the Bears find a ball hawk at the safety position for passing downs.
The secondary looks good is is always a position of movement during the offseason.
what will plan bears need some draft for 2009 :::
need list :: come frist offense lineman top draft OT = R / L , OG = R /L THEN C, QB .... I wish do not need RB WR no what for bears all good no point (CBMB Modbot edit) trust me I knew that. other things. what bears is need defense CB FS S that is need yes . I wish do not need DE = DT no look all best teams if trade maybe should or if dont have any hurt who know.
Why draft a QB or WR when the line is on its last legs. JA should have picked up some more Olinemen last 2 drafts. Spend day 1 on the line. so I would go something like this.
1st OT
2ndOG
3rd Centre
4th Saftey
5th CB
6th+7th best Player available
Scottishbear: Why draft a QB or WR when the line is on its last legs. JA should have picked up some more Olinemen last 2 drafts. Spend day 1 on the line. so I would go something like this. Say we pick aronud #20 1st OT OG Robinson ( Oklahoma ) or OT Black ( LSU ) or OT Loadholt ( Oklahoma ) 2ndOG OG Johnson ( LSU ) or possibly QB Painter ( Purdue ) 3rd Centre Several OG ( perry Ubrik Dockery ) or OC Luigs ( Arkansas ) 4th Saftey Might get a 3rd compensarory fro Berrian - FB Javorskie Lane ( Texas Tech. 275 pounds leading the way for Forte. Maybe a beast like this gets the first down at Carolina. 5th CB Later rounds look for SS or sleepr WR. 6th+7th best Player available I would try to package our late round picks for someone's fifth roudeer in 2010. We don't need any more "depth".
Why draft a QB or WR when the line is on its last legs. JA should have picked up some more Olinemen last 2 drafts. Spend day 1 on the line. so I would go something like this. Say we pick aronud #20
1st OT OG Robinson ( Oklahoma ) or OT Black ( LSU ) or OT Loadholt ( Oklahoma )
2ndOG OG Johnson ( LSU ) or possibly QB Painter ( Purdue )
3rd Centre Several OG ( perry Ubrik Dockery ) or OC Luigs ( Arkansas )
4th Saftey Might get a 3rd compensarory fro Berrian - FB Javorskie Lane ( Texas Tech. 275 pounds leading the way for Forte. Maybe a beast like this gets the first down at Carolina.
5th CB Later rounds look for SS or sleepr WR.
6th+7th best Player available I would try to package our late round picks for someone's fifth roudeer in 2010. We don't need any more "depth".
As far as the roster:
OG replaces Metcalfe - Beekamn competes with Garza or gets cut.
OT sits behind Tait for one year.
Painter replaces Rex.
OC replaces Beekman's spot. replaces Olin after 09.
SS replaces McGowan.
WR replaces Bradley.
Our contract situation has most everybody we want under long term control, and everybody we don't want on short term deals. Tait, Olin, and Ogunleye needs to remain productive through 2009. Then, they are gone, freeing up lots of money for FA, or sticking around on short year-to-year deals.
We should have about $15.0M for cap space next year for FAs, and with the three big contracts up in 2009 ( Tait, Olin, and Ogunleye ), it should free up another $19.0M for 2010 FAs. The 2010 draft could be the year to go after DE, and WR. IMO JA has set us up for the 09-10-11-12 years as best he could.
Gatorraid: Scottishbear: Why draft a QB or WR when the line is on its last legs. JA should have picked up some more Olinemen last 2 drafts. Spend day 1 on the line. so I would go something like this. Say we pick aronud #20 1st OT OG Robinson ( Oklahoma ) or OT Black ( LSU ) or OT Loadholt ( Oklahoma ) 2ndOG OG Johnson ( LSU ) or possibly QB Painter ( Purdue ) 3rd Centre Several OG ( perry Ubrik Dockery ) or OC Luigs ( Arkansas ) 4th Saftey Might get a 3rd compensarory fro Berrian - FB Javorskie Lane ( Texas Tech. 275 pounds leading the way for Forte. Maybe a beast like this gets the first down at Carolina. 5th CB Later rounds look for SS or sleepr WR. 6th+7th best Player available I would try to package our late round picks for someone's fifth roudeer in 2010. We don't need any more "depth". As far as the roster: OG replaces Metcalfe - Beekamn competes with Garza or gets cut. OT sits behind Tait for one year. Painter replaces Rex. OC replaces Beekman's spot. replaces Olin after 09. SS replaces McGowan. WR replaces Bradley. Our contract situation has most everybody we want under long term control, and everybody we don't want on short term deals. Tait, Olin, and Ogunleye needs to remain productive through 2009. Then, they are gone, freeing up lots of money for FA, or sticking around on short year-to-year deals. We should have about $15.0M for cap space next year for FAs, and with the three big contracts up in 2009 ( Tait, Olin, and Ogunleye ), it should free up another $19.0M for 2010 FAs. The 2010 draft could be the year to go after DE, and WR. IMO JA has set us up for the 09-10-11-12 years as best he could.
Intresting, was thinking around 32nd pick (17th really)
1st Robinson will be gone top 10, Which is why I went for OT thinking Loadholt but the combo of Johnson and black would be awsome, 2guys that know each other. would you cut/release rex or kyle if you drafted Painter?
Tait and Olin will be gone 2010, unless we get really lucky with a falling top rated DE Ogunleye will be resigned. Still got doubts over beekman at centre but I aint seen him in training????
In Draft 2010 think JA will pick up the top WR he can get or some one for the Defensive backfield. Which is why I think we will have 2010 or 2011 to win the superbowl before the defense gets to old.
But without a line sorted out this/next year we are screwed. Garza and st Claire are just not worth there wages by the end of this year.
MrOuija:What makes you all think we need to get 3 or 4 lineman, mostly in the first few rounds ? Through preseason and 2 games in the regular season the OL looks fine. You can get a RT to compete with Tait in rounds 2-4.
lol, I know its the same thing with last years mocks draft, remmeber? Alot of people were posting we need a ton of linemen, we need to take 3OL's with our first 3 picks. That statement was insane when we continue once again to have one of the worst QB problems in the NFL. Last time we past on a QB, I sure hope we don't do that in the next draft.
Ari Bear: MrOuija:What makes you all think we need to get 3 or 4 lineman, mostly in the first few rounds ? Through preseason and 2 games in the regular season the OL looks fine. You can get a RT to compete with Tait in rounds 2-4. lol, I know its the same thing with last years mocks draft, remmeber? Alot of people were posting we need a ton of linemen, we need to take 3OL's with our first 3 picks. That statement was insane when we continue once again to have one of the worst QB problems in the NFL. Last time we past on a QB, I sure hope we don't do that in the next draft.
MrOuija: Ari Bear: MrOuija:What makes you all think we need to get 3 or 4 lineman, mostly in the first few rounds ? Through preseason and 2 games in the regular season the OL looks fine. You can get a RT to compete with Tait in rounds 2-4. lol, I know its the same thing with last years mocks draft, remmeber? Alot of people were posting we need a ton of linemen, we need to take 3OL's with our first 3 picks. That statement was insane when we continue once again to have one of the worst QB problems in the NFL. Last time we past on a QB, I sure hope we don't do that in the next draft.Oh, I remember. Our sacks against are down. Our run game is improved, and still people want guards and tackles in the first three picks, ignoring the obvious deficiencies at QB and WR. It's as if even suggesting you get talent at skill positions in Chicago is somehow wrong. It's really pretty ridiculous.
Don't forget Benson's cap hit will not be there so that frees up another 2.5 million.
chitown_flyer:First pick, Quarterback - Tim Tebow, Florida. Reminds of of Ben Roethlisgurger. Second pick, Wide reciever - Dan Skelly 6'1 178, South Dakota. Reminds me of Marrvin Harrison. Third pick, Safety - ? Fourth pick, Running back - ? Fifth pick, Defensive line - ? Sixth pick, Corner back - ? Seventh pick, Offensive line - ? I think the offensive line can be bolstered with an off-season move and the return of a healthy Chris Williams. Forte has solidified the running back spot and now is the time to find a fourth rounder to compliment him. The defense looks great but I would love to see the Bears find a ball hawk at the safety position for passing downs. The secondary looks good is is always a position of movement during the offseason.
MrOuija: Ari Bear: MrOuija:What makes you all think we need to get 3 or 4 lineman, mostly in the first few rounds ? Through preseason and 2 games in the regular season the OL looks fine. You can get a RT to compete with Tait in rounds 2-4. lol, I know its the same thing with last years mocks draft, remmeber? Alot of people were posting we need a ton of linemen, we need to take 3OL's with our first 3 picks. That statement was insane when we continue once again to have one of the worst QB problems in the NFL. Last time we past on a QB, I sure hope we don't do that in the next draft. Oh, I remember. Our sacks against are down. Our run game is improved, and still people want guards and tackles in the first three picks, ignoring the obvious deficiencies at QB and WR. It's as if even suggesting you get talent at skill positions in Chicago is somehow wrong. It's really pretty ridiculous.
Nothing wrong with building a good strong o-line. I'll agree that 3 o-linemen with the 1st 3 picks is overkill, but I'd definately go for one with the top pick. Gotta think long term in which case I think you're only counting on Williams at LT & Beekman I think at center. Spending a first round on a guard is a rarity but I honestly think what Robinson would bring to our run game would be worth it. Then also draft a tackle to back up Tait on the right side in the 3rd or 4th round. That leaves us with an o-line of Williams at LT backed up by St. Clair, Robinson at LG backed up by Beekman, Kreutz at C backed up by Beekman, Beekman, Garza or Metcalf at RG backed up by who ever is left and Tait at RT backed up by rookie.
That's a solid 9 man crew at o-line & uses only the 1st round pick and a mid round pick, still leaving you a 2nd round pick to get a WR (strong likelihood that few WRs are taken in the first as in 2008), and 2 out of the two 3rd & one 4th picks (Berrian comp) to get a QB, FB or safety.
This isn't ignoring QB & WR, another WR would be good but we need to figure out in what direction the corp is heading. We could end the season with Lloyd and Hester as a good #1 & #2 with Booker, Davis & Bennett competing for #3, if that the case then we are drafting a back up development guy! As for QB this is not a class worth spending a 1st round pick on unless a few juniors & sophmores declare and even then it's a stretch.
I'd love to know what must have QB/WR there is to use a first round pick on, that is so much better than the rest of his peers, that can make so much of a difference to our offence as Robinson would to our running game, as he is clearly better than any other guard in the draft.
Afrocomb: MrOuija: Ari Bear: MrOuija:What makes you all think we need to get 3 or 4 lineman, mostly in the first few rounds ? Through preseason and 2 games in the regular season the OL looks fine. You can get a RT to compete with Tait in rounds 2-4. lol, I know its the same thing with last years mocks draft, remmeber? Alot of people were posting we need a ton of linemen, we need to take 3OL's with our first 3 picks. That statement was insane when we continue once again to have one of the worst QB problems in the NFL. Last time we past on a QB, I sure hope we don't do that in the next draft. Oh, I remember. Our sacks against are down. Our run game is improved, and still people want guards and tackles in the first three picks, ignoring the obvious deficiencies at QB and WR. It's as if even suggesting you get talent at skill positions in Chicago is somehow wrong. It's really pretty ridiculous. Nothing wrong with building a good strong o-line. I'll agree that 3 o-linemen with the 1st 3 picks is overkill, but I'd definately go for one with the top pick. Gotta think long term in which case I think you're only counting on Williams at LT & Beekman I think at center. Spending a first round on a guard is a rarity but I honestly think what Robinson would bring to our run game would be worth it. Then also draft a tackle to back up Tait on the right side in the 3rd or 4th round. That leaves us with an o-line of Williams at LT backed up by St. Clair, Robinson at LG backed up by Beekman, Kreutz at C backed up by Beekman, Beekman, Garza or Metcalf at RG backed up by who ever is left and Tait at RT backed up by rookie. That's a solid 9 man crew at o-line & uses only the 1st round pick and a mid round pick, still leaving you a 2nd round pick to get a WR (strong likelihood that few WRs are taken in the first as in 2008), and 2 out of the two 3rd & one 4th picks (Berrian comp) to get a QB, FB or safety. This isn't ignoring QB & WR, another WR would be good but we need to figure out in what direction the corp is heading. We could end the season with Lloyd and Hester as a good #1 & #2 with Booker, Davis & Bennett competing for #3, if that the case then we are drafting a back up development guy! As for QB this is not a class worth spending a 1st round pick on unless a few juniors & sophmores declare and even then it's a stretch. I'd love to know what must have QB/WR there is to use a first round pick on, that is so much better than the rest of his peers, that can make so much of a difference to our offence as Robinson would to our running game, as he is clearly better than any other guard in the draft.
MrOuija: Afrocomb: MrOuija: Ari Bear: MrOuija:What makes you all think we need to get 3 or 4 lineman, mostly in the first few rounds ? Through preseason and 2 games in the regular season the OL looks fine. You can get a RT to compete with Tait in rounds 2-4. lol, I know its the same thing with last years mocks draft, remmeber? Alot of people were posting we need a ton of linemen, we need to take 3OL's with our first 3 picks. That statement was insane when we continue once again to have one of the worst QB problems in the NFL. Last time we past on a QB, I sure hope we don't do that in the next draft. Oh, I remember. Our sacks against are down. Our run game is improved, and still people want guards and tackles in the first three picks, ignoring the obvious deficiencies at QB and WR. It's as if even suggesting you get talent at skill positions in Chicago is somehow wrong. It's really pretty ridiculous. Nothing wrong with building a good strong o-line. I'll agree that 3 o-linemen with the 1st 3 picks is overkill, but I'd definately go for one with the top pick. Gotta think long term in which case I think you're only counting on Williams at LT & Beekman I think at center. Spending a first round on a guard is a rarity but I honestly think what Robinson would bring to our run game would be worth it. Then also draft a tackle to back up Tait on the right side in the 3rd or 4th round. That leaves us with an o-line of Williams at LT backed up by St. Clair, Robinson at LG backed up by Beekman, Kreutz at C backed up by Beekman, Beekman, Garza or Metcalf at RG backed up by who ever is left and Tait at RT backed up by rookie. That's a solid 9 man crew at o-line & uses only the 1st round pick and a mid round pick, still leaving you a 2nd round pick to get a WR (strong likelihood that few WRs are taken in the first as in 2008), and 2 out of the two 3rd & one 4th picks (Berrian comp) to get a QB, FB or safety. This isn't ignoring QB & WR, another WR would be good but we need to figure out in what direction the corp is heading. We could end the season with Lloyd and Hester as a good #1 & #2 with Booker, Davis & Bennett competing for #3, if that the case then we are drafting a back up development guy! As for QB this is not a class worth spending a 1st round pick on unless a few juniors & sophmores declare and even then it's a stretch. I'd love to know what must have QB/WR there is to use a first round pick on, that is so much better than the rest of his peers, that can make so much of a difference to our offence as Robinson would to our running game, as he is clearly better than any other guard in the draft. First of all let me say that many of your points are well stated, I just don't agree entirely. To me anyway, Robinson is a good but not great guard, late first round pick material, which would make him too much of a reach if you believe we're picking in the top 15 or so as I do. If you have that high of a pick and are determined to take another OL, then you might as well take one of the better tackles available to step in for Tait who is currently the most glaring problem on the OL. Garza and Beekman are serviceable, and don't need to be replaced with high 1st round picks.Also, you are assuming that current starters like Beekman will become instant backups should another guy be drafted. The Bears don't operate like that, nor do they carry 9 offensive lineman on the gameday roster during the year. Figuring what direction the WR corp is heading in is easy, the answer is down. We don't have to wait until the end of the year to realize an impact player at the position would be an upgrade to our cast of roleplayers. As far as QB's, I happen to agree, if the juniors and sophomores don't declare then a 1st round QB would probably not be the best course of action. But if guys like Bradford, Stafford, or Sanchez do and are available, then we'd be foolish to pass up on any of them when all you're suggesting is that we upgrade an already decent position. We hear the same refrain here year after year about how we don't really need any top QB's or WR's because all we want to do is run the ball and play defense. I believe that thinking to be outdated and a proven loser. We need talent at the offensive skills positions even more badly than we do at OG, and none of our lineman are going to look good as long as we are one-dimensional and predictably limited by our skill players on offense.
When I said rotation I meant for the 53 not the 45. In effect we would be replacing Buenning who hasn't managed to break the gameday roster & Miller. I am optimistic enough to think we will be picking in the 2nd half of the 1st round. I agree that Garza & Beekman are serviceable but would prefer just one serviceable guard & one that's elite. Let them compete for the one spot.
I agree that if the right QB becomes available then not only do you use your 1st round pick to get him, you trade up to make sure. The only one at the moment that I'd recommend this for is Bradford, but don't think he'll declare for '09.
As for WRs I honestly think that '08 wasn't a blip but the beginning of a trend. WRs notoriously take a couple of years to develop and are hit and miss. Paying 1st round money to a WR that is 50/50 to make it and probably won't be that top guy for a year or two is not wise and I believe a lot of teams are starting to feel this way (Lions apart). I think very few WRs will be off the board by the second round so we can trade up in the 2nd if we really like a guy or wait and take best available when our pick comes around.
Concentrating just on seniors & juniors and using current NFL draft scouts round predictions we could have a draft with Robinson (G) in the first, Britt (WR) in the second, McCoy, Brandstater, Cantwell, Painter or Hall (QBs) in the third along with a safety or DE (Brown & Ogun contract situations) & pick up a guard like Loadholt in the fourth. I think two o-line, one receiver, one QB & a defensive player with the first five picks is a balanced draft. But if a Bradford was to declare then use a 1st on him & pick up a guard like Urbik in the 3rd.
What we don't want to see is yet another CB, TE or DT being selected.