Ok, so I know our top 3 needs are OG, WR, and QB. I understand that
Ranked:
1. OG
2. WR
3. QB
4. OT

Yes? Sounds right to me. But I question what ORDER we draft them...
We can draft good Guards in the 2nd. We can take a relatively lower risk QB pick at 3-4. We can get a good RT in 3-4. We can get a very good WR in 1-2. So..

What if we did something along the lines of:
(round)(position)(possible player)
1. WR, Crabtree or Heyward-Bey
2. OG, Herman Johnson or Kraig Urbick or Jeremy Perry or Jeff Byres or Alex Mack
3. QB, Hunter Cantwell or Colt McCoy or Dan LeFevour or Josh Freeman or Chase Daniel
4. OT, Sam Young or Xavier Fulton or Andrew Garnder or Jamon Merideth or Jason Smith or Dace Richardson

These are example names that may, or may not, be there when we pick. What do you think, however, about this format?

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fontjones:

Damn, he is so fast he outran his ribcage...

Your format is fine but I think RT is more of a need than OG. Beekman looks okay, so you're really just talking about bringing in competition for Garza. Tait on the otherhand does not look okay and needs to be replaced as soon as possible. Everyone is enamoured with the 350lb+ guards but we haven't really went after that type in a long time. You're going to have to get someone who can move, not just the biggest guy available. QB and WR are also high priorities.

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Conference of One: The USC Trojans were well represented on the first day of the 2008 NFL Draft, with seven overall selections in the first 2 rounds. In comparison, the twelve teams from the SEC combined had just eight players drafted on day 1.

I don't honestly think WR is that big of a need for us. The reason being we don't have a developed QB to pass the ball right now. Plus, WR are notoriously slow in developing. The 3 years most take is too long for us. We need someone now.

Thus, if we are going to address the WR position we should be looking at Boldin in a trade, or signing TJ Houshmanzada/Roy Williams.

To me our needs are this(in order)
QB
OL(1 G 1 T and 1 back up)
WR
DE
FB
CB(nickelback mainly)
S
DT
RB
TE/LB

Personally, I'd much rather us go after Roy Williams this offseason. One he's very little risk compared to a guy like Crabtree. He's a proven young WR and can be a #1 right now. And not only that, we should have the money to go after him. I think your first 4 picks(I'm assuming we will get a third in compensation for berrian) go like this

1st round: Sam Bradford if available if not a guy like Andre Smith who should be available in the middle of round 1

2nd: QB of your choosing. For me that's Cullen Harper if available. He's the best IMO of the 2nd teir QBs though none thrill me after Bradford. If not QB you go after G in Duke Robinson or Herman Johnson.

3rd: I can't imagine a situation where we allow the first 2 picks go by without grabbing a QB. We have to have something. If not they go here. If QB is gone, I think you look at G since the T probably goes in round 1. You could go QB, G, T or T, QB, G or if we traded down to low in the round G, QB, T.

4th pick: Best available DE. This is the pick that everyone is going to hate but I know is coming. People will hate it because of Bazuin but the fact is Wale and Brown are on the down side of their career and are average to decent to begin with. They aren't stars. With only Anderson to back them up right now we have to get some youth at DE. I think we let Wale go after the 2010 season possibly sooner. Hell, I wouldn't be shocked to see us take in rounds 1 or 2 if one of the better guys falls. People aren't going to like it but it is a need. So, I've already started preparing myself for it so I'm not surprised.

Do you think about anything else fade?  I thought I was bad

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QBs are the position you want to address early.
OGs don't start coming off the board until round 2-3 usually, since the better OL prospects are usually OTs.
WRs are available throughout, but obviously the top talents usually go quick.
OT is a hard position to address, but we should be able to land another decent one should we go that route.

for me:
1st round - QB
2nd round - OG
3rd round - WR (also sign a Lee Evans type...a #1 would be nice, but money is tight)
4th round - OT (right tackles should be available still, can develop behind Tait/St Clair)

If a WR like Heyward-Bey or Robiskie is available, I'm all for a WR. Obviously Crabtree, Maclin and Harvin will be up there too.

The QB picture may be clouded by the lack of a sure fire Senior stud. We have a ton of juniors with talent, but the seniors really lack punch. No real amazing athletes, no real huge producers (Daniel is the exception). Not the best year to be looking for a QB.

I dont think we should waste a high pick on a QB, Im not particularily impressed with any of the prospects coming out this season anyway.  If we suck so much that Crabtree is available Id go for him, otherwise im all for upgrading the O-Line. 

Perfect world, Chris Williams and Dan Buenning step up and become contributers to the O-Line late into season, we draft Duke Robinson for the other guard spot.  Cut some deadweight in Booker, Orton, Garza, Adams, and possibly Hillenmeyer unless he shapes up.  Make a splash sign Roy Williams and bring in a QB like Kyle Boller or Joey Harrington to compete with Grossman and Hanie.

 

Grossman can be dynamite behind a good O-Line and running game in which this scenario we would have, I have seen flashes of Boller and think he can be a good QB.  Ultimately I think Caleb Hanie might be the starter but need fallback plans.

bearsfan101:

I dont think we should waste a high pick on a QB, Im not particularily impressed with any of the prospects coming out this season anyway.  If we suck so much that Crabtree is available Id go for him, otherwise im all for upgrading the O-Line. 

Perfect world, Chris Williams and Dan Buenning step up and become contributers to the O-Line late into season, we draft Duke Robinson for the other guard spot.  Cut some deadweight in Booker, Orton, Garza, Adams, and possibly Hillenmeyer unless he shapes up.  Make a splash sign Roy Williams and bring in a QB like Kyle Boller or Joey Harrington to compete with Grossman and Hanie.

 

Grossman can be dynamite behind a good O-Line and running game in which this scenario we would have, I have seen flashes of Boller and think he can be a good QB.  Ultimately I think Caleb Hanie might be the starter but need fallback plans.

stop dreaming, kid... rexy won't be on our team in 2009 and we won't go after a mediocre backup either. but there is one point you are right about, signing roy williams. this would take some pressure off the draft since we would have our starters in place (williams, lloyd and bennett the slot guy).
i believe that buenning and beekman will start at guard next season. and our first round pick will be... ANDRE SMITH!!! cutting tait would mean free cap space to sign williams.
in the second round we should draft a QB. e.g. Harper, Painter, Cantwell...
the third round should be used to get a solid OG or C, depends on what the front office thinks about beekman (better at C or OG? if C then draft a guard and beekman takes over for kreutz in two years). a wr should be taken with the compensatory pick for BB.
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the rest of the draft should be defense (DE, Nickel, FS, ST...) and a FB...

my point of view...

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bearsfan101:

I dont think we should waste a high pick on a QB, Im not particularily impressed with any of the prospects coming out this season anyway.  If we suck so much that Crabtree is available Id go for him, otherwise im all for upgrading the O-Line. 

Perfect world, Chris Williams and Dan Buenning step up and become contributers to the O-Line late into season, we draft Duke Robinson for the other guard spot.  Cut some deadweight in Booker, Orton, Garza, Adams, and possibly Hillenmeyer unless he shapes up.  Make a splash sign Roy Williams and bring in a QB like Kyle Boller or Joey Harrington to compete with Grossman and Hanie.

 

Grossman can be dynamite behind a good O-Line and running game in which this scenario we would have, I have seen flashes of Boller and think he can be a good QB.  Ultimately I think Caleb Hanie might be the starter but need fallback plans.

stop dreaming, kid... rexy won't be on our team in 2009 and we won't go after a mediocre backup either. but there is one point you are right about, signing roy williams. this would take some pressure off the draft since we would have our starters in place (williams, lloyd and bennett the slot guy). i believe that buenning and beekman will start at guard next season. and our first round pick will be... ANDRE SMITH!!! cutting tait would mean free cap space to sign williams. in the second round we should draft a QB. e.g. Harper, Painter, Cantwell... the third round should be used to get a solid OG or C, depends on what the front office thinks about beekman (better at C or OG? if C then draft a guard and beekman takes over for kreutz in two years). a wr should be taken with the compensatory pick for BB. . the rest of the draft should be defense (DE, Nickel, FS, ST...) and a FB... my point of view...

I'm having a very "Tyler Durden" type moment here Phipsi because that is almost identical to what I would suggest. These are the picks I had in my mock thread

My ideal picks
1st Andre Smith OT Height: 6-5. Weight: 339.
2nd Cullen Harper QB Height: 6-4. Weight: 215. 40 Time: 4.79.
3rd Kraig Urbik OG Height: 6-6. Weight: 328.
3rd(comp) Pannel Egboh DE Height: 6-6. Weight: 280. 40 Time: 4.82.
4th Jorvorskie Lane FB Height: 6-0. Weight: 285. 40 Time: 4.76.
5th Fenuki Tupou OT/G Height: 6-5. Weight: 328.
6th Lydell Sargeant CB Height: 5-10. Weight: 186. 40 Time: 4.45.
7th Rhett Bomar QB Height: 6-2. Weight: 218. 40 Time: 4.72.

I was assuming we would pick in the 15-20 range, and get compensation for Berrian in the form of a 3rd round pick. I'm also assuming we try to sign/trade for Boldin, Roy Williams, or TJ Houshmanzada. I think you look at Andre Smith and you address your bookends on the line. That allows us to be more flexible with where we play Williams and how we run. Harper doesn't thrill me but he has the size going for him. May be the best of the 2nd teir QBs. It's so hard to call out QBs at this point in the season. Last year this time Andre Woodson was a top 15 pick.... that didn't work out so well for him

Buenning will hopefully start for us in the near-distant future. Drafting another G allows us to have flexibility with Beekman. He could possibly take over for Olin who's looked like garbage lately. I think the DE pick becomes important too in that we have to get a younger guy there. Ogunleye is up for FA in 2010. I hope we've replaced him by then. Lane is the best FB in the draft. I'm hoping we pick him up and can use him like the chargers used Neal. Topou is a RT that can plays some G. Another good option at that point would be Dallas Reynolds who supposedly can play 4 line positions. These guys could allow us to replace St. Clair.Sargent has a arrest history which likely pushes him down in the draft but has decent size and speed. Might be a good nickel. And Bomar is just a hail mary pick. Hope he develops. Push him to the PS if he doesn't play well and just let him develop. He started for Oklahoma as a red shirt freshman.

if were picking relativly high say around 9 i would trade down to 15 and draft darrius heyward-bey hes 6"3 210 has great hands , but also runs a high 4.2-low4.3 and then trade back up inthe first round to about 20 and draft OG Duke Robinson hes just a beast and i really dont think he falls to the second. and then pick the best availabel tacle in the second but we would have no third and maybe no fourth

If we are at 9, I'd rather us trade up for the best QB if Bradford is in the mix. Heyward-bey might turn out to be a great WR but we currently have no way to get him the ball. Even if we did, we are a running team until further notice. So, drafting a WR this high seems to go against our coaching philosophy. I think you build your running game to the best of your ability and then worry about players like WR.

beckdawg:

If we are at 9, I'd rather us trade up for the best QB if Bradford is in the mix. Heyward-bey might turn out to be a great WR but we currently have no way to get him the ball. Even if we did, we are a running team until further notice. So, drafting a WR this high seems to go against our coaching philosophy. I think you build your running game to the best of your ability and then worry about players like WR.

im not high on bradford he puts up greats stats but if ou actually watch a game they will continue to pur on the score to pad his stats unlike other teams who will put the back up in, but anway if you watch an entire game he has all day long to throw the bal and he gets the ball to his team and they make all the plays after the catch and a decent arm not  bad but not good either

sagbear:

beckdawg:

If we are at 9, I'd rather us trade up for the best QB if Bradford is in the mix. Heyward-bey might turn out to be a great WR but we currently have no way to get him the ball. Even if we did, we are a running team until further notice. So, drafting a WR this high seems to go against our coaching philosophy. I think you build your running game to the best of your ability and then worry about players like WR.

im not high on bradford he puts up greats stats but if ou actually watch a game they will continue to pur on the score to pad his stats unlike other teams who will put the back up in, but anway if you watch an entire game he has all day long to throw the bal and he gets the ball to his team and they make all the plays after the catch and a decent arm not  bad but not good either

Well sadly i feel he's the best of the likely 2009 draft class. Tebow..... i just don't see him being the same in the pros. I mean the best comaprison would be to McNabb. That is the best case. He's one of the few 2 way threats to amount to anything. Stafford just doesn't impress me at all. So, that's pretty much you're top 3 guys there.

Anyone been really impressed with QB Colt McCoy of Texas so far this season? He's only a junior but McCoy may actually graduate early and if he continues to perform anything close to what he has so far he'll be a 1st round pick in the draft. McCoy, a coaches son with FB smarts, good size, very mobile and a strong, very accurate arm to boot.

Texas plays at OU 10/11 and then has Mizzo at home 10/18 so we'll see if he's the real McCoy pretty quick.

Otherwise I really like either T Andre Smith of Alabama or G Duke Robinson of Oklahoma. Robinson has also played some RT at Oklahoma. Either of these guys would be immediate starters and super safe & talented picks.  

 

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Anyone been really impressed with QB Colt McCoy of Texas so far this season? He's only a junior but McCoy may actually graduate early and if he continues to perform anything close to what he has so far he'll be a 1st round pick in the draft. McCoy, a coaches son with FB smarts, good size, very mobile and a strong, very accurate arm to boot.

Texas plays at OU 10/11 and then has Mizzo at home 10/18 so we'll see if he's the real McCoy pretty quick.

Otherwise I really like either T Andre Smith of Alabama or G Duke Robinson of Oklahoma. Robinson has also played some RT at Oklahoma. Either of these guys would be immediate starters and super safe & talented picks.

Colt was a 3rd round pick coming into the season by most mock drafters. At that price I think he'd be wroth a look. If he moves up to a 2nd rounder... I'd still consider him. I don't think he's a 1st rounder. I also like Andre Smith. Robinson is probably out of our plans unless we trade down or he slips.

on top of that not to many qbs from spread offenses have success and not to many florida quarter backs do either. and tebow hasnt put up nearly as good of stats as he did last year here are his stats- 38/64 59.4 % 489 yards five tds zero picks and no rushing tds

Why are people high on taking an OT first round, if they would become the RT?
Why take Andre Smith?

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Damn, he is so fast he outran his ribcage...

He actually projects to a guard in the pros since hes about 340 lbs but only 6'4.

And as you know versitility is key with olineman, so a guy who plays left tackle in the SEC, projects as a guard in the NFL, and looks like he could be a Pro Bowl right tackle sounds like a great idea to an oline with too many question marks.

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Okay, here are two mocks that have been updated fairly recently:

Football's Future has a one rounder last updated 9/9.  They have Mark Sanchez declaring and going at 2 to the Chiefs, and Matt Stafford declaring and going at 8 to the Bears.

Walter Football has a three rounder last updated 9/25.  They have Matt Stafford declaring and going at 2 to the Chiefs, leaving no good quarterbacks for the Bears to take early.  So, they have the Bears taking OT Andre Smith at 14, OG Herman Johnson at 46, and WR Brandon Gibson at 78.

I don't really like the expanded draft at Walter Football.  Grossman will be gone after this season, Orton's contract expires after next season and he's not the downfield threat they wanted when they drafted Grossman, and the free agent class after this season looks shallow at quarterback.  They must take a quarterback with upside early in the 2009 draft if at all possible.  Also, I like Herman Johnson's size but he looks clumsy and lumbering from time to time and as much as the Bears like to pull their guards, I think they'll go for more of an athlete at the position if they take a guard.  Gibson looked good last year but not so good so far this year, I think they could do better at the position.  Finally, right tackles are not hard to find and there should be several swing tackles with upside in rounds four and five in 2009.

If both quarterbacks declare, I think we'll see the Bears go something like Matt Stafford, Kenny Britt, and Trevor Canfield in the first three rounds.  Stafford has the ability to make any throw and they'll need a quarterback for Grossman's roster spot, so this makes a lot of sense.  Britt gives them a big receiver with good hands and decent speed who knows how to get open and can produce even on a bad team with poor quarterback play, which again makes sense given their needs.  Canfield is lighter (305ish) than the monstrous guards so many of us like, but still has a good frame, is athletic, plays angry, and is tenacious, which makes him a match for the types of guards the Bears have spent time looking at in recent drafts.  There are still several good right tackle prospects on the board after the third round in the Walter Football mock, which makes that a natural direction for them to go in round four.

I think you are making a mistake by taking a WR before OL. I wont argue that we need to address QB in round 1 or 2. However, a WR isn't that important on our team. And we need to get quality linemen FAST. Tait Garza and Olin are just going to get older. If we draft a linemen in the third round that means we are putting off a second OL pick to even later. I honestly would just assume we ignore WR all together. Lloyd is a quality guy we can resign. Hester is... well hester and always a potential only guy. Bennett will just get better.

Go OL/QB in round one. Go OL/QB in round 2. Go OL in round three. If we get a compensation pick in round 3 use it on a DE. That's the way I see our draft shaping up.