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go OL with our first 2 picks

Last post 10-29-2008, 11:36 AM by sagbear. 29 replies.
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  •  10-09-2008, 3:19 PM 1243260

    go OL with our first 2 picks

    I would go RT and OG with our first two picks if the draft were today.  I would then go safety, wide receiver, another OL, LB, and CB.  With Forte and Orton looking solid we need to keep drafting OL who can learn for 1-2 years before being thrown in.  A safety with solid coverage skills would be nice.  A WR with size and speed would be nice, but Bennet cannot even get on the field right now and he was a 3rd rounder.  We also have Rideau on the practice squad.  We seem to have success with corners later in the draft ( Graham, McBride, Bowman on the practice squad)  and don't seem to have much of a need at LB but can always use more special teamers.  I think they should try Bowman at FS with his size /speed ratio.  I just hope Angelo stops mising on so many early round picks.   Imagine if we had taken 2 OL with the picks wasted on Bazuin and Okwo?  The Bears are pretty much set at TE, RB, DT, DE, LB, K, P, and CB for the near future.  We will need to find a 2nd or 3rd string QB next year when Grossman is gone.
  •  10-09-2008, 5:55 PM 1243470 in reply to 1243260

    Re: go OL with our first 2 picks

    Here's my .02.

    1) With salary cap room, try to grab a RT in FA - Jordan Gross?  Be prepared to make a first day offer to $7.0M per.

    2)  I am assuming we draft arounf 23-25.  I think we will miss out on OG Duke Robinson, but should be able to wrap up OG Herman Johnson of LSU ( 6-6, 350+ ).

    3)  In the second round, keep the fingers cross for OG Kraig Urbik of Wisconsin ( 6-6, 335 ). We would immediately upgrade OG for the next 7-8 years.

    4)  Third round, look for FB Javorskie Lane ( 6-0, 275 ). He would be a force in run blocking, pass blocking, and he is solid around the goal line.

    The addition of Gross, Johnson, Urbik, and Lane would make use bigger, and younger in the middle.  Williams and Gross at OT.  Tait can be the backup at OT, Garza the backup at OG, and Beekman can slide in for Olin when the time comes.  St. Clair, Miller, and Metcalfe are history.  I think that would be a pretty good O-line.

    5)  Anything else we get out of the draft is gravy.  I'd look for a RB to replace Jones ( Rosenhaus will have him shopping ), and possibly a sleeper WR or SS candidate from the small schools.

    6)  We should have compensatory picks for Berrian ( 3 or 4 ), Ayanbedejo ( 5 ), and I thought another ( 7 ).  We can't trade them, but I would look to trade our 5-6-7 for someone's fourth in 2010.  We would still have 1-2-3-3-4-5-7.  We don't need anymore depth.

  •  10-10-2008, 9:42 AM 1244048 in reply to 1243470

    Re: go OL with our first 2 picks

    Good post Gatoraid, I like your analysis of who to go after.  For a SS small school sleeper I like a kid named Pierre Banks out of APP. St. 6'-0" 220 and a big hitter., I do think we need to address DE in this draft also. Here is what I like:

    FA-RT Jordon Gross.
     1ST RD) Herman Johnson
    2nd) RD Kraig Ubik
    3rd RD) Austin English DE OK.
    3b) WR
    4 through 7 depth.
  •  10-11-2008, 2:47 AM 1245002 in reply to 1243260

    Re: go OL with our first 2 picks

    Every year its the same request, ugh.
    Go Bears !
  •  10-11-2008, 10:38 AM 1245184 in reply to 1243470

    Re: go OL with our first 2 picks

    Gatorraid:

    4)  Third round, look for FB Javorskie Lane ( 6-0, 275 ). He would be a force in run blocking, pass blocking, and he is solid around the goal line.



    Most dead on thing you said in your post, right there. A big blocking FB would be a HUGE addition to this offense, and Lane certainly qualifies. He'd be our goalline back and then we could CONVERT on 4th and 1 haha.
  •  10-12-2008, 5:48 PM 1248902 in reply to 1243260

    Re: go OL with our first 2 picks

    Maybe not the first two, but definitely before the 6th and 7th round picks. 

    If they end up winning the division, I have a feeling Andre Smith and Eugene Monroe will be out of reach.  In that case, they could still get a good lineman like Duke Robinson or Alex Mack, but probably not a top tackle.  They could also have a shot at Fenuki Tupou in round two, which would make for a nicely rebuilt offensive line in the near term.

    However, they also have needs at receiver, quarterback (#2 even if Orton continues to progress), safety (both spots), defensive end, and possibly a 3 technique defensive tackle if Harris can't overcome his injuries.  I would not be terribly upset to see them trade back a few spots if they picked up another second or third in the process, assuming of course that they are already picking in the 20s.  Think of all the good players who could be there...Josh Freeman, Colt McCoy, Jeremy Maclin, Kenny Britt, Brian Robiskie, Ciron Black, Duke Robinson, Alex Mack, Jonathan Luigs, George Selvie, Greg Hardy, Brian Orakpo, Myron Rolle, William Moore...I wouldn't want to be wedded to a single player.

    Even if they went BPA early and took, let's say Josh Freeman for his upside at quarterback, they could still come back in the second round with Kraig Urbik or Fenuki Tupou and then follow up in the third round with Andrew Gardner or Trevor Canfield.  Even though Freeman would be sitting for at least a year (maybe more if Orton stays), I'd be pretty happy with that.
  •  10-17-2008, 2:46 PM 1258365 in reply to 1248902

    Re: go OL with our first 2 picks

    malakai:
    Maybe not the first two, but definitely before the 6th and 7th round picks. 

    If they end up winning the division, I have a feeling Andre Smith and Eugene Monroe will be out of reach.  In that case, they could still get a good lineman like Duke Robinson or Alex Mack, but probably not a top tackle.  They could also have a shot at Fenuki Tupou in round two, which would make for a nicely rebuilt offensive line in the near term.

    However, they also have needs at receiver, quarterback (#2 even if Orton continues to progress), safety (both spots), defensive end, and possibly a 3 technique defensive tackle if Harris can't overcome his injuries.  I would not be terribly upset to see them trade back a few spots if they picked up another second or third in the process, assuming of course that they are already picking in the 20s.  Think of all the good players who could be there...Josh Freeman, Colt McCoy, Jeremy Maclin, Kenny Britt, Brian Robiskie, Ciron Black, Duke Robinson, Alex Mack, Jonathan Luigs, George Selvie, Greg Hardy, Brian Orakpo, Myron Rolle, William Moore...I wouldn't want to be wedded to a single player.

    Even if they went BPA early and took, let's say Josh Freeman for his upside at quarterback, they could still come back in the second round with Kraig Urbik or Fenuki Tupou and then follow up in the third round with Andrew Gardner or Trevor Canfield.  Even though Freeman would be sitting for at least a year (maybe more if Orton stays), I'd be pretty happy with that.

    We need a right tackle (that may sit for a year), so I don't mind missing out on Andre Smith (even though he and Terrence Cody will be my favorite players entering the draft) and Eugene Monroe. The second round is the absolute earliest that I would take a prospect for right tackle. I would prefer third or fourth. A guy like Alex Mack doesn't come around too often, so I wouldn't mind seeing him taken to play guard and eventually replace Kreutz.

    I think we'll get our #2 quarterback in FA. If not, it's because the coaches are confident in Hanie. In that case, we would take a flyer on a guy with high upside in the later rounds. Payne has looked good at safety and we haven't seen Steltz yet, so I think we only need one in next year's draft. We have our insurance policy for Harris in Harrison. We only have three DEs on the roster and two of them are nearing retirement. I would take 2 - one early that could replace Ogunleye as an every down DE and one pass rusher in the mid-rounds.


    I have made it a team rule that my players behave as gentlemen and dress as gentlemen. I wanted to end the popular conception that professional athletes were a bunch of roughnecks.- George S. Halas
  •  10-17-2008, 2:50 PM 1258374 in reply to 1258365

    Re: go OL with our first 2 picks

    U people make me laugh all off-season all I read was this and that about how bad our O-Line was going to be. Now that they are doing a heck of a job you still won't give them credit and still think we should bench most if not all next year with Rookies.   If it wasn't for the Defense giving up 10 pt leads in two games and Robbie Gould's no-squib kick and the Defense not being able to perform on one stinkin play last week after the offense comes out and does a heck of a job in 2 minute we would be 6-0 right now. 

  •  10-17-2008, 3:01 PM 1258388 in reply to 1258374

    Re: go OL with our first 2 picks

    TxBear:

    U people make me laugh all off-season all I read was this and that about how bad our O-Line was going to be. Now that they are doing a heck of a job you still won't give them credit and still think we should bench most if not all next year with Rookies.   If it wasn't for the Defense giving up 10 pt leads in two games and Robbie Gould's no-squib kick and the Defense not being able to perform on one stinkin play last week after the offense comes out and does a heck of a job in 2 minute we would be 6-0 right now. 


    I'm going to assume that I'm not included in "U people", but just in case...

    Tait and Kreutz are reaching the end of their careers. Metcalf and Miller (again) should be gone after this season. Also, St. Claire will be a free agent and is getting older. So, I'd take a center early that can either sit for a year or replace Garza at guard until Kreutz retires. I would also take a tackle that can eventually replace Tait in the middle rounds. In the mid-to-late rounds, I would take someone that can play guard or tackle. That's not an indictment of our current line. I'm just looking forward.


    I have made it a team rule that my players behave as gentlemen and dress as gentlemen. I wanted to end the popular conception that professional athletes were a bunch of roughnecks.- George S. Halas
  •  10-17-2008, 3:44 PM 1258467 in reply to 1258388

    Re: go OL with our first 2 picks

    if we get jordon gross we wont go guard in round 1 and 2 no way. Maybe in the 1st but in the second we would choose the best WR available probably Brian Robiskie or Demtrius Byrd. or we could go WR with Maclin or hopefuly Heyward-Bey in the first then guard in the 2nd and hope the Guard from wisconsin falls to us

  •  10-17-2008, 4:40 PM 1258594 in reply to 1258467

    Re: go OL with our first 2 picks

    Good posts.

    Crabtree and Heyward-Bey are the only WR that IMO are going to be #1.  Maclin is a bit like Hester.  Will his speed translate to the NFL?

    As far as the O-line being servicable. the running game is not controlling the clock.  After having 9 minutes of possession in the first half against Atlanta, look at all the defensive injuries.  We need to be able to control the ball to keep our defenders off the field.  I can't believe that our passing game is actually covering for our running game.  Miller and Metcalfe are history.  Tait and OK look slow.  St. Clair is playing the best I've seen him, but he is older than dirt.  Garza is sub material.  Beekamn may be too small ( but might be a solid OC ).  IMO the second round WRs aren't much of an upgrade over what we got ( Lloyd, Booker, Hester, Bennett, and Davis ).

    I'd take a shot at OC Alex Mack, and go for OG Urbik in round 2.  Getting bigger and younger on the O-line will go a long way to keeping our current "window" open.

  •  10-18-2008, 11:20 PM 1259800 in reply to 1258594

    Re: go OL with our first 2 picks

    You guys have to look at who fits our system too. 350 pound gaurds dont. Angelo and Lovie like guys who can get downfield and block. Alex Mack would be a real good fit. The only mammoth guard i have seen play who can get downfield and block is Duke Robinson. Everybody wants to build a line like Dallas had in the 90's a bunch of road graders and did you notice what happened to Troy Aikman he got killed behind that line too. Emmit flourished and Aikman got beat up.
  •  10-19-2008, 1:46 PM 1260722 in reply to 1258594

    Re: go OL with our first 2 picks

    Have to say i agree with Gatorraid again, our o-line has got no pop at all run blocking and are struggling to stay average at pass blocking.  They'll also wear down by week 12ish i believe.

    Bearing in mind we used a 1st on a LT last year, we still need to replace the rest of them sooner rather than later, if we are having a new line may as well have a new leader for it, the boss of the line is traditionally the OC, but OK is not playing well and i doubt he's back in two years.... so get the best available OC. 

    It seems there are three in this years draft who are highly rated (meant to be a great interior line draft), so we should try to get Alex Mack as he seems to be, just, the best of them and may actually be worth a 1st (though i was hoping to get him in the 2nd).

    Face facts folks(and JA), the o-line may be unsung still but they are no longer undervalued. The best ones will stay with the teams that drafted them, and only become available because of cap problems(Hutchinson and Tait for example, Seattle and Kansas wanted to keep them but couldn't afford to), or injuries and/or a bad attitude in which case do we want to be the ones taking the risk?


    Just another example of something.
  •  10-22-2008, 1:07 PM 1267846 in reply to 1258374

    Re: go OL with our first 2 picks

    TxBear:

    U people make me laugh all off-season all I read was this and that about how bad our O-Line was going to be. Now that they are doing a heck of a job you still won't give them credit and still think we should bench most if not all next year with Rookies.   If it wasn't for the Defense giving up 10 pt leads in two games and Robbie Gould's no-squib kick and the Defense not being able to perform on one stinkin play last week after the offense comes out and does a heck of a job in 2 minute we would be 6-0 right now. 

    While you were laughing, we were rushing for 40 yards against the Vikikngs.  I would replace our OGs with two top tier OGs from the 09 draft in a asecond.  OK is running out of tread to, but he can play his way into retirement.  We need a line that can move people out, and create holes to run through.

  •  10-22-2008, 2:13 PM 1267917 in reply to 1267846

    Re: go OL with our first 2 picks

    I think we have no choice but Kreutz in 2009, which I belive is the final year of his contract.  DE, RT, and RG are just higher priorities.  One of the two line spots should probably be an experienced FA while the other should be a first or second-rounder.  Then assuming Williams pans out we can keep St. Clair as cheap depth for a year or two, or draft depth later on.

    The ineffectiveness of both Ogunleye and Mark Anderson has unfortunately made DE a very high priority.  Cutting Ogunleye, Anderson or both makes cap sense next year, although they may let Anderson play out the final year of his rookie deal.  People forget he injured his knee at the end of last year and may round back into some kind of form.

    Unless Ogunleye regains his effectiveness he's gone and an every-down DE becomes the highest priority for draft / FA.  Without a consistent push from outside and inside the Cover 2 becomes swiss-cheese.

  •  10-23-2008, 1:37 PM 1269382 in reply to 1267917

    Re: go OL with our first 2 picks

    Maybe there is no choice but Kreutz in '09', but i think letting any player let alone a team leader, former pro bowler etc etc, just freewheel into retirement would be very dumb indeed.  it sends a terrible message to the rest of the locker room.

    Let me clarify, i'm guessing we pick about #25, i'm also guessing big Duke goes before that(about #20) as he's the only OG worthy of the 1st rnd. and better than Ben Grubbs was in '06'.

    If he did become a Bear i would be ecstatic, but there are a few teams who would love that kind talent and i think he's gone, leaving the high end centres as the next best alternatives, even if Kreutz sorts himself out next year,  will he even be back in '10'.

    Assuming we get Duke Robinson, we should still target one of the high class centres because we need quantity as well as quality( the line is a five man onfield unit + depth).


    Just another example of something.
  •  10-26-2008, 12:46 PM 1272166 in reply to 1243260

    Re: go OL with our first 2 picks

    Sounds great to me ecept we need to draft a left tackle not a right tackle .

  •  10-26-2008, 9:38 PM 1272774 in reply to 1272166

    Re: go OL with our first 2 picks

    Chet8503:

    Sounds great to me ecept we need to draft a left tackle not a right tackle .



    Hmm.. Why ?

    Conference of One: The USC Trojans were well represented on the first day of the 2008 NFL Draft, with seven overall selections in the first 2 rounds. In comparison, the twelve teams from the SEC combined had just eight players drafted on day 1.
  •  10-26-2008, 10:05 PM 1272803 in reply to 1258467

    Re: go OL with our first 2 picks

    There is absolutly NO need to gat a FB in the draft. Seriously guys, we have one of the best TE combos in the league and you want a FB on the field!?!

    The 1st round should be reserved for a skills player (FS or WR). The only way we go otherwise is if a top LB or DE falls to us, or if a once-in-a-lifetime athlete falls. You guys may see "LB" and say *** is he thinking but a guy like Maualuga or Lauranitis drops there is no reason to pass them up with the health concerns surrounding Urlacher.

    The two main guys I'd target at around 20 or so in the draft would be Taylor Mays and Michael Crabtree. Mays will probably go higher after the combine but should he be there its a must pick. He has so much upside its insane. I think Crabtree will fall due to him being in a spread offense and the nature of the WR position (it has a tendency to be seen as a risky pick due to the number of busts it has produced, just ask the Lions). A top guard or right tackle can be found in the 2nd or in some cases the 3rd. With this draft class being very similar to last years, in that it is full of talented Olinemen, there is no reason to have to pick one in the 1st.

  •  10-26-2008, 10:12 PM 1272808 in reply to 1259800

    Re: go OL with our first 2 picks

    travis123:
    You guys have to look at who fits our system too. 350 pound gaurds dont. Angelo and Lovie like guys who can get downfield and block. Alex Mack would be a real good fit. The only mammoth guard i have seen play who can get downfield and block is Duke Robinson. Everybody wants to build a line like Dallas had in the 90's a bunch of road graders and did you notice what happened to Troy Aikman he got killed behind that line too. Emmit flourished and Aikman got beat up.
    He also had the best speed rusher in history in his division (LT). I'm not saying huge olinemen work but playing LT twice a year can make you look pretty bad at times.
  •  10-27-2008, 11:26 AM 1273443 in reply to 1243260

    Re: go OL with our first 2 picks