I think part of the reason it's untalked about is because Bazuin failed so bad. But the position is a big position of need for us coming into the 2009 draft. Brown is very solid. Ogunleye is serviceable at best. Anderson appears to be a pass rush specialist at best.

I think it is highly unlikely we bring back Ogunleye after his contract runs out in 2 seasons. That being said, we really need to find his replacement. Our defense is predicated on getting pressure with the front 4. I would really like to see us address this in the third round or earlier.

Good point. Do you think they'll move Idonije back to DE after he's been doing so well at DT and on ST?

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beckdawg:

I think part of the reason it's untalked about is because Bazuin failed so bad. But the position is a big position of need for us coming into the 2009 draft. Brown is very solid. Ogunleye is serviceable at best. Anderson appears to be a pass rush specialist at best.

I think it is highly unlikely we bring back Ogunleye after his contract runs out in 2 seasons. That being said, we really need to find his replacement. Our defense is predicated on getting pressure with the front 4. I would really like to see us address this in the third round or earlier.

Ogunleye serviceable at best?  He maybe was our best player on defense last year... 9 sacks 6 forced fumbles.  And Alex Brown is probably even better.

I agree once Ogunleye leaves that this position will need to be addressed, because I'm not so sure that Mark Anderson could be a starter.

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rar288:

Ogunleye serviceable at best?  He maybe was our best player on defense last year... 9 sacks 6 forced fumbles.  And Alex Brown is probably even better.

I haven't seen us get any kind of pass rush this season with just our front 4. When I say serviceable I mean good enough to play but someone that needs to be replaced at the first available chance. Plus he's making like 5-8 mil( cant remember if it is 5 or 8) In my opinion he's no where near playing to that value.

I really like the kid from texas Brian Orakpo he could be had in the 2nd or 3rd round.

Height: 6-4. Weight: 255.
Projected 40 Time: 4.61

He would be a great understudy behind adewale or if were lucky Greg Middleton from Idiana would fall to us in the 2nd round if were lucky.

 

Height: 6-3. Weight: 275.
Projected 40 Time: 4.82

Looking at his size and speed measurables, you may determine that Greg Middleton is pretty difficult to block. Well, opposing linemen found that out the hard way, as Middleton registered a nation-high 16 sacks in 2007.

I don't think Ogun is playing that badly but he is getting older

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I think it was mostly the tackle spot that wasnt getting a push. The ends are doing fine. The whole line played well in our last two weeks, but in the first three Harris just wasn't getting anything done. Most likely a cause of his knee problem.

he's not playing bad at all but just like the o line we cant wait until there on the verge of retirement to find a replacement. Find a raw talent train him behind Ogun.

What about Austin English out of Oklahoma or Matt Shaugnhessey  out of Wisconsin?

I bet we'll see Will Davis or Derek Walker out of Illinois. I think Turner recruited them both (at least Walker), so I wouldn't be surprised to see a mid round pick for one of them. I like Davis better.

You really think that? 2 names. Starting tackle St. Clair journeyman, John Tait 33 y/o, outside of Josh Beekman there is no one on the Bears offensive line under the age of 30. Which would be fine if they had signed Faneca or made a move for Jordan Gross. Offensive line is easily the position of need on this team. Just think if the Bears could open up holes? Forte and Jones speed would be a huge threat. The last 2 weeks Lions and whomever have stuffed the run. The Lions were the worst rush defense in the league and the Bears didn't get 150 yards rushing on them. There average before game was higher allowed per game.

beckdawg:

I think part of the reason it's untalked about is because Bazuin failed so bad. But the position is a big position of need for us coming into the 2009 draft. Brown is very solid. Ogunleye is serviceable at best. Anderson appears to be a pass rush specialist at best.

I think it is highly unlikely we bring back Ogunleye after his contract runs out in 2 seasons. That being said, we really need to find his replacement. Our defense is predicated on getting pressure with the front 4. I would really like to see us address this in the third round or earlier.

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Cade & Rex

Cade: 16tds 19ints 66.7 qb rating 54.6% completion
Rex: 31tds 33ints 70.9% qb rating 54.3% completion

After watching the game today, they could do worse than to pick a talented defensive end like Orakpo, but that position isn't even close to the top set of needs.  Even if Buenning overtakes Beekman and nails down the left side, they still need a new center and especially right guard in the worst way.  They need a new right tackle who won't fold against good defensive ends.  They need at least one and possibly two new defensive backs.  If TH doesn't get his head together, they might need a new three technique tackle.  They need a true #1 receiver to compliment Lloyd and Hester.  No matter what, Grossman is gone at season's end, so they'll need a competent #2 quarterback. 

Now, if they have a shot at a great player who falls because depth at the position is great, maybe they take him, but IMO not at the expense of a similarly talented player at RT, RG, C, QB, WR, FS, SS, or DT.

I think after this game people are finally seeing what I've been saying since camp. We get 0 pass rush. Our corners are decent but aren't shut down corners. The idea of our defense is to cover long enough for your front 4 to get to the QB. That's why teams that have thrown a bunch have torched us.

If I were GM I would draft like this
OT, OG, DE for sure with our first 4 picks. The last would be possibly a QB if orton performs poorly. If you don't draft a QB then WR is a possiblity but i'd rather see us sign one in FA.

I don't see how you say we need 2 S's. I think Payne has played great. Also, DT? That's probably one of our strongest positions right now even with Harris hurt.

beckdawg:

I think after this game people are finally seeing what I've been saying since camp. We get 0 pass rush. Our corners are decent but aren't shut down corners. The idea of our defense is to cover long enough for your front 4 to get to the QB. That's why teams that have thrown a bunch have torched us.

If I were GM I would draft like this
OT, OG, DE for sure with our first 4 picks. The last would be possibly a QB if orton performs poorly. If you don't draft a QB then WR is a possiblity but i'd rather see us sign one in FA.

I don't see how you say we need 2 S's. I think Payne has played great. Also, DT? That's probably one of our strongest positions right now even with Harris hurt.

I say two DBs because they need one safety to be playmaker, which neither Brown nor Payne are, and they need a nickel back.  Playmaking safeties have increasingly become high draft picks.  Nickel backs (bigger tweener CB/S types) can be had later, but they need to be intelligent and capable of physical play.  Both of these positions are important in the system they run, the NB increasingly so because Hillenmeyer seems to have become a liability in coverage.

I say DT because if Harris can't return to form they will be without a 3 technique tackle.  That's a really important cog in this defensive system, because that's the guy who is supposed to bring the inside pressure to prevent quarterbacks from stepping up (Warren Sapp in Tampa Bay, Tommie Harris earlier in his career) to avoid the ends.  Maybe Harrison can do it, but that's not really Dvoracek's or Idonije's game.  The guy doesn't need to be a first rounder, he could be an interior pass rush specialist.  And as I see it, if Harris is SO hurt that he isn't contributing at his position, he needs to be on IR.

Don't get me wrong, DE is important and if the right guy was on the board it would be a good move.  I just think if they have a choice between equally rated players at DE and several other positions, they should go with one of the other positions.

malakai:

beckdawg:

I think after this game people are finally seeing what I've been saying since camp. We get 0 pass rush. Our corners are decent but aren't shut down corners. The idea of our defense is to cover long enough for your front 4 to get to the QB. That's why teams that have thrown a bunch have torched us.

If I were GM I would draft like this
OT, OG, DE for sure with our first 4 picks. The last would be possibly a QB if orton performs poorly. If you don't draft a QB then WR is a possiblity but i'd rather see us sign one in FA.

I don't see how you say we need 2 S's. I think Payne has played great. Also, DT? That's probably one of our strongest positions right now even with Harris hurt.

I say two DBs because they need one safety to be playmaker, which neither Brown nor Payne are, and they need a nickel back.  Playmaking safeties have increasingly become high draft picks.  Nickel backs (bigger tweener CB/S types) can be had later, but they need to be intelligent and capable of physical play.  Both of these positions are important in the system they run, the NB increasingly so because Hillenmeyer seems to have become a liability in coverage.

I say DT because if Harris can't return to form they will be without a 3 technique tackle.  That's a really important cog in this defensive system, because that's the guy who is supposed to bring the inside pressure to prevent quarterbacks from stepping up (Warren Sapp in Tampa Bay, Tommie Harris earlier in his career) to avoid the ends.  Maybe Harrison can do it, but that's not really Dvoracek's or Idonije's game.  The guy doesn't need to be a first rounder, he could be an interior pass rush specialist.  And as I see it, if Harris is SO hurt that he isn't contributing at his position, he needs to be on IR.

Don't get me wrong, DE is important and if the right guy was on the board it would be a good move.  I just think if they have a choice between equally rated players at DE and several other positions, they should go with one of the other positions.

Well I view Harrison as someone who can play the 3 tech or the NT. I think DE is just as important though. The bucs went out and got Adams recently and he improved their D greatly. They used to have Rice. Indy has Freeny. I think Brown is a good end but he's not an elite pass rusher.

Either way, i think our offense may be so sad that we could take 4 straight offensive picks and still be hurting.

MOST importantly I feel the Bears need to immediately decrease snaps for the starters and use Anderson and Isreal .... more at DE. We MUST get more pressure on the passer and Isreal has earned more time on the field. DE will need to be addressed this off season.
I think it might be helpful if Babich would call more scheme with press coverage. That might put the offence in a more defensive position, throwing off timing and  make the QB adjust. The Bazuin pick is killing us by the absence of a quality passrusher.

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Cade & Rex

Cade: 16tds 19ints 66.7 qb rating 54.6% completion
Rex: 31tds 33ints 70.9% qb rating 54.3% completion

We need a DE in a bad way.
We are doing alright at DT, Dusty does his job and shuts down the run, and Harrison is doing great as a pass rusher with 2 sacks in spot duty.  Harris obviously isn't having a good year, lets hope he can rebound.  Plus we have Izzy who is pretty solid in his first year as a DT, he should only improve. 
As for DE, Ogun sucks this year, Brown is the same as always, and Anderson is nonexistent.  I would use our first rounder on a DE and immediatly start him. 

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I wonder if Dan Bazuin is available.  He was a second rounder, right?

Yep we need a DE very very bad. In the 1st round. I think we need oline bad. But if we were to go DE i dont think that would be a bad thing. RT, LG, and LE are all huge needs

Ogun has dropped off big time this year. And i like the guy. he's been a great bear and it sux watching him drop off like this. But his time is done.

Even before watching the titans game our pass rush was bad/poor.  We were going up against one of the best oline's in the NFL so I wasnt expecting much anyway.  This draft is going to be for lineman on both offense and defense and possibly a safety, FB and WR maybe.  Some of you say we need a new right guard... face it garza is not going any where, he signed an extension for like 5-6 yrs i think and we are not gonna have him riding the bench.  Beekman will most likely take over for kreutz, buenning will be our left guard, williams at tackle and that leaves us needing a new right tackle to take over for tait and just draft for depth.   

It goes without saying we need more pressure up front with DE's but we also need a new defensive coordinator, Babich is not getting the job done, our blitzs are poorly spaced, no adjustments, uses same mug look for every game.  The problem may be Lovie too but Lovie will most likely use Babich as a scapegoat if our pass defense continues to struggle.  Anyway Ogun is def serviceable at best, he is not the same player he was, last year was his best year sadly. If we could just find a Justin Tuck type guy we would be set....The guy can play inside, outside and is always getting into the backfield whether its run or pass.  Id rather have Izzy set at DE than inside, let Harrison, Harris, Adams, Dusty and Toeina(in the future) rotate around.  

We also are going to need a safety to replace MB, he is clearly not the player he was, run support is still good but his coverage skills have fallen greatly.  Not sold on Steltz, Manning being our future Free Safety.   

Does anyone know how Baldwin was doing before he got cut? I know we signed him back because Chiefs were planning on signing him on ps but hopefully he could develop into someone more useful than Mark Anderson or even light a fire under anderson and get him going.

You guys got it all wrong.  We don't need to draft D linemen, we need to pick up some free agent Sumo wrestlers.

I'm telling you.  Get a couple Grand Champion-caliber Sumo guys and we could go to town...

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“Once we come to grips that our defense isn’t what it’s supposed to be, we’ll all be better off,” safety Mike Brown said.