Bear with me; I've had a few. What if there really is a sentient being that has ultimate control of our fates, but it isn't benign? I don't mean the Devil. Like what if there is no Devil, but no God either, but just a higher power who is ambivalent?

Maybe we are just the dust mote in the fingernail of a morally impartial entity playing "the Sims" on its keyboard in its mother's basement, and that same basement is yet another dust mote on the fingernail of another who...

and so on. Hall of mirrors.

If that's the case or even if it isn't, I won't ever know. In the mean time I am going to watch Bears games and....

...Bear down!

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Ole69:

Bear with me; I've had a few. What if there really is a higher power, but it isn't benign? I don't mean the Devil. Like what if there is no Devil, but no God either, but just a higher power who is ambivalent? Maybe we are just the dust mote in the fingernail of a morally impartial entity playing "the Sims" on its keyboard in its mother's basement, and that same basement is yet another dust mote on the fingernail of another who... and so on. Hall of mirrors. If that's the case or even if it isn't, I'm going to have a beer. Bear down!

Then to be honest...Does it really matter? if it isn't a god from the religious sense or a devil just a  ''high power'' it Doesn't Change the way i live my life in any way. so..Who cares.

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enmorestuff:

Now now, we don't want anyone getting suicidal now do we

good point. I edited accordingly

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DR.Metal:

Ole69:

Bear with me; I've had a few. What if there really is a higher power, but it isn't benign? I don't mean the Devil. Like what if there is no Devil, but no God either, but just a higher power who is ambivalent?

Maybe we are just the dust mote in the fingernail of a morally impartial entity playing "the Sims" on its keyboard in its mother's basement, and that same basement is yet another dust mote on the fingernail of another who...

and so on. Hall of mirrors.

If that's the case or even if it isn't, I'm going to have a beer.

Bear down!

Then to be honest...Does it really matter? if it isn't a god from the religious sense or a devil just a  ''high power'' it Doesn't Change the way i live my life in any way. so..Who cares.

I was asking the people who do care. Sorry to interrupt you. And thanks for being honest.

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Ole69:

DR.Metal:

Ole69:

Bear with me; I've had a few. What if there really is a higher power, but it isn't benign? I don't mean the Devil. Like what if there is no Devil, but no God either, but just a higher power who is ambivalent? Maybe we are just the dust mote in the fingernail of a morally impartial entity playing "the Sims" on its keyboard in its mother's basement, and that same basement is yet another dust mote on the fingernail of another who... and so on. Hall of mirrors. If that's the case or even if it isn't, I'm going to have a beer. Bear down!

Then to be honest...Does it really matter? if it isn't a god from the religious sense or a devil just a  ''high power'' it Doesn't Change the way i live my life in any way. so..Who cares.

I was asking the people who do care. Sorry to interrupt you. And thanks for being honest. BTW, Dr. Metal, are you a fan of Pentagram? They were good shite

My meaning was aimed more that you shouldn't care.


I haven't heard of them but I'll Check them out.

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Ole69:

Any of their stuff past 1985 is crap, be warned!

lol I will heed your warning

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I really do think this guy looks over us...

 

 

 

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i remember reading a short story about a kid playing with toys, but it turned out at the end that we were the toys and the kid was god.  not a happy story. 

what I always wondered is how big is the universe....and what is the universe? since we are bigger then an atom could it be we are small and other beings can look thru a microscope and see our universe? on any pebble of sand is there a world living that we can't see it???? who is to say we are the right size and there is not some other life forms bigger then us in thier own version of the universe!!!!! do we look like sub atomic particles thru someone's microscope?????/ just saying

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BearsMod1:

what I always wondered is how big is the universe....and what is the universe? since we are bigger then an atom could it be we are small and other beings can look thru a microscope and see our universe? on any pebble of sand is there a world living that we can't see it???? who is to say we are the right size and there is not some other life forms bigger then us in thier own version of the universe!!!!! do we look like sub atomic particles thru someone's microscope?????/ just saying

The laws of gravity can debunk the micro-sized theory. 

On a broader scale though, the universe is an interesting topic.  We actually know a lot more about it than most people realize.

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BearsMod1:

what I always wondered is how big is the universe....and what is the universe? since we are bigger then an atom could it be we are small and other beings can look thru a microscope and see our universe? on any pebble of sand is there a world living that we can't see it???? who is to say we are the right size and there is not some other life forms bigger then us in thier own version of the universe!!!!! do we look like sub atomic particles thru someone's microscope?????/ just saying

Reminds me of that scene in 'Animal House' where Pinto and Bluto were getting stoned at that prof's house.

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Ole69:

Bear with me; I've had a few. What if there really is a sentient being that has ultimate control of our fates, but it isn't benign? I don't mean the Devil. Like what if there is no Devil, but no God either, but just a higher power who is ambivalent? Maybe we are just the dust mote in the fingernail of a morally impartial entity playing "the Sims" on its keyboard in its mother's basement, and that same basement is yet another dust mote on the fingernail of another who... and so on. Hall of mirrors. If that's the case or even if it isn't, I won't ever know. In the mean time I am going to watch Bears games and.... ...Bear down! Edited for content

I look at it this way:

1.  If I believe in God and:
      a.  He does exist - great, I'll be in Heaven when I die.
      b.  He doesn't exist - oh well, I'll just be dead and won't know the difference anyway.

2.  If I don't believe in God and:
      a.  He doesn't exist - oh well, I'll just be dead and won't know the difference anyway.
      b.  He does exist - I'm in for an eternity of unspeakable Hell.

Bottom line - If God doesn't exist - it won't matter whether I believed in him or not.

HOWEVER, if He does exist - I want to be on the right side of that equation!

1985AllOverAgain:

Ole69:

Bear with me; I've had a few. What if there really is a sentient being that has ultimate control of our fates, but it isn't benign? I don't mean the Devil. Like what if there is no Devil, but no God either, but just a higher power who is ambivalent? Maybe we are just the dust mote in the fingernail of a morally impartial entity playing "the Sims" on its keyboard in its mother's basement, and that same basement is yet another dust mote on the fingernail of another who... and so on. Hall of mirrors. If that's the case or even if it isn't, I won't ever know. In the mean time I am going to watch Bears games and.... ...Bear down! Edited for content

I look at it this way:

1.  If I believe in God and:
      a.  He does exist - great, I'll be in Heaven when I die.
      b.  He doesn't exist - oh well, I'll just be dead and won't know the difference anyway.

2.  If I don't believe in God and:
      a.  He doesn't exist - oh well, I'll just be dead and won't know the difference anyway.
      b.  He does exist - I'm in for an eternity of unspeakable Hell.

Bottom line - If God doesn't exist - it won't matter whether I believed in him or not.

HOWEVER, if He does exist - I want to be on the right side of that equation!

Pascal's Wager is deeply flawed on numerous levels.  We actually had a discussion about it on this board just a couple of months ago.

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bearmick:

1985AllOverAgain:

Ole69:

Bear with me; I've had a few. What if there really is a sentient being that has ultimate control of our fates, but it isn't benign? I don't mean the Devil. Like what if there is no Devil, but no God either, but just a higher power who is ambivalent? Maybe we are just the dust mote in the fingernail of a morally impartial entity playing "the Sims" on its keyboard in its mother's basement, and that same basement is yet another dust mote on the fingernail of another who... and so on. Hall of mirrors. If that's the case or even if it isn't, I won't ever know. In the mean time I am going to watch Bears games and.... ...Bear down! Edited for content

I look at it this way:

1.  If I believe in God and:
      a.  He does exist - great, I'll be in Heaven when I die.
      b.  He doesn't exist - oh well, I'll just be dead and won't know the difference anyway.

2.  If I don't believe in God and:
      a.  He doesn't exist - oh well, I'll just be dead and won't know the difference anyway.
      b.  He does exist - I'm in for an eternity of unspeakable Hell.

Bottom line - If God doesn't exist - it won't matter whether I believed in him or not.

HOWEVER, if He does exist - I want to be on the right side of that equation!

Pascal's Wager is deeply flawed on numerous levels.  We actually had a discussion about it on this board just a couple of months ago.

I honestly had never heard of Pascal's Wager, or at least I don't consciously remember learning about it.

I just googled it.  Interesting.  I was never much into Philosophy.  I had one class the first semester of my freshman year during my first run at college.

Sorry I missed the discussion.

1985AllOverAgain:

Ole69:

Bear with me; I've had a few. What if there really is a sentient being that has ultimate control of our fates, but it isn't benign? I don't mean the Devil. Like what if there is no Devil, but no God either, but just a higher power who is ambivalent? Maybe we are just the dust mote in the fingernail of a morally impartial entity playing "the Sims" on its keyboard in its mother's basement, and that same basement is yet another dust mote on the fingernail of another who... and so on. Hall of mirrors. If that's the case or even if it isn't, I won't ever know. In the mean time I am going to watch Bears games and.... ...Bear down! Edited for content

I look at it this way:

1.  If I believe in God and:
      a.  He does exist - great, I'll be in Heaven when I die.
      b.  He doesn't exist - oh well, I'll just be dead and won't know the difference anyway.

2.  If I don't believe in God and:
      a.  He doesn't exist - oh well, I'll just be dead and won't know the difference anyway.
      b.  He does exist - I'm in for an eternity of unspeakable Hell.

Bottom line - If God doesn't exist - it won't matter whether I believed in him or not.

HOWEVER, if He does exist - I want to be on the right side of that equation!

if that's your way of thinking...do you really believe??

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SOUPBOWLorBUST:

if that's your way of thinking...do you really believe??

That is one of the many reasons it's a flawed concept.  It takes out the need for faith, love, goodness, all the other things associated with a god.  It makes the logical fallacy of assuming that the only god that can exist is a benevolent one which rewards belief alone.

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Yeah if there is a God he would probably know you're hedging your bets and stamp you for he11

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IF there was really a god.... HOW could Paris Hilton be THAT famous??

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1985AllOverAgain:

Ole69:

Bear with me; I've had a few. What if there really is a sentient being that has ultimate control of our fates, but it isn't benign? I don't mean the Devil. Like what if there is no Devil, but no God either, but just a higher power who is ambivalent? Maybe we are just the dust mote in the fingernail of a morally impartial entity playing "the Sims" on its keyboard in its mother's basement, and that same basement is yet another dust mote on the fingernail of another who... and so on. Hall of mirrors. If that's the case or even if it isn't, I won't ever know. In the mean time I am going to watch Bears games and.... ...Bear down! Edited for content

I look at it this way:

1.  If I believe in God and:
      a.  He does exist - great, I'll be in Heaven when I die.
      b.  He doesn't exist - oh well, I'll just be dead and won't know the difference anyway.

2.  If I don't believe in God and:
      a.  He doesn't exist - oh well, I'll just be dead and won't know the difference anyway.
      b.  He does exist - I'm in for an eternity of unspeakable Hell.

Bottom line - If God doesn't exist - it won't matter whether I believed in him or not.

HOWEVER, if He does exist - I want to be on the right side of that equation!

if that's your way of thinking...do you really believe??

Don't get me wrong.  I believe in God.  I just try to look at it from the other side's point of view and just don't understand why they wouldn't at least want to hedge their bets, as Ole put it.

But he's right.  God would know anyway, so their thumped no matter what!

1985AllOverAgain:

SOUPBOWLorBUST:

1985AllOverAgain:

Ole69:

Bear with me; I've had a few. What if there really is a sentient being that has ultimate control of our fates, but it isn't benign? I don't mean the Devil. Like what if there is no Devil, but no God either, but just a higher power who is ambivalent? Maybe we are just the dust mote in the fingernail of a morally impartial entity playing "the Sims" on its keyboard in its mother's basement, and that same basement is yet another dust mote on the fingernail of another who... and so on. Hall of mirrors. If that's the case or even if it isn't, I won't ever know. In the mean time I am going to watch Bears games and.... ...Bear down! Edited for content

I look at it this way:

1.  If I believe in God and:
      a.  He does exist - great, I'll be in Heaven when I die.
      b.  He doesn't exist - oh well, I'll just be dead and won't know the difference anyway.

2.  If I don't believe in God and:
      a.  He doesn't exist - oh well, I'll just be dead and won't know the difference anyway.
      b.  He does exist - I'm in for an eternity of unspeakable Hell.

Bottom line - If God doesn't exist - it won't matter whether I believed in him or not.

HOWEVER, if He does exist - I want to be on the right side of that equation!

if that's your way of thinking...do you really believe??

Don't get me wrong.  I believe in God.  I just try to look at it from the other side's point of view and just don't understand why they wouldn't at least want to hedge their bets, as Ole put it.

But he's right.  God would know anyway, so their thumped no matter what!

How about another way of looking at it .......

Live a good life, be kind to children and help old ladies across the street.  If there's no god, nothing will happen, you'll just be remembered as a good person.  If there is a god, you'll be rewarded for being a good person.

(Of course this is subject to the same logical fallacy as Pascal's wager)

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tdndenver:

IF there was really a god.... HOW could Paris Hilton be THAT famous??

cause he gave you and others like you the free will and, unfortunately, bad sense to make her that way.

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Seems to me any decent god would judge you by your behavior and not by mere belief.

We all know lots of believers who aren't partularly good people and, on the other hand, non believers who are excellent folks.