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Jay Cutler so far.
Last post 10-01-2009, 11:33 AM by jerkyboyz07. 50 replies.
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09-28-2009, 11:13 PM |
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jrcorleone
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Just wanted to post some of his numbers to show how he has performed on paper since we have all seen the games. After 3 games, despite the bad first half against the Packers, Cutler is completing 64.4% of his passes. Now when we talked about Orton being a game manager and not making mistakes this was one area I never understood. If he is checking down, not taking chances and not making mistakes why is he only completing 55 to 57 percent of his pases? So its good to see Cutler being efficient.
He also has a 86.2 QB rating which is awesome considering how negatively those first 4 interceptions hurt his rating. So the fficiency again looks to be good and improving, considering he is unlikely to throw 4 picks every three games, those numbers should stay in this region or even increase. Right now he has 6 TDs passes in 3 games, on tract for 32 for the year which probabley is a little higher than his actual year end total might be. He has thrown for 760 yards on track for just over 4000 yards, again another number I think could be higher than his actual year end total. On pace for 27 interceptions due to the Packer game, certainly a number that cannot actually be reached or all hell would break loose. What I do like is his 5 TDs and 1 INT the past two games with a completion percentage well over 70%.
Of course to me whats more important than anything I already mentioned is that in 3 games he has driven the offense down the field for go ahead leads late in each game. The poise he showed in those situations is very impressive considering the reputation he had as a gambler that had a tendency to make mistakes down the stretch. Provided the defense can keep playing at a decent level and the WRs and TEs keep up the good play it should be a good year for Jay. If the defense could generate some more turnovers and we could get the running game going the rest of the year could be superb for Jay. I am very happy with how Jay has played thus far, minus the first half of the opener.
I will say it seems to me that having gutted our WR corp of the old vets that were no longer reliable and playmakers, we may have surrounded Jay with exactly what he needs. Fast young WRs that can make some plays on their own as well as be reliable and make key receptions. The foursome of Cutler, Hester, Bennett and Knox has been as good as I could have hoped at this point. Hopefully as the season goes on he can get the ball to the WRs more often and downfield a little more. I think the speed at WR should help us get some huge plays in the passing game at some point and I think against Detroit we could see Hester breakout a little as our deep threat. Once that happens the pressure could be off the OL a little bit to get Forte going, cause I still think defenses are playing tight and trying to stop the run.
 Official CBMB Jay Cutler Fan Club: #16 DEVIN AROMASHODU, YOU ARE RIDICULOUS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZP1b5n-OYg My little man, 7 years old and he runs the rock like your supposed to.
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09-28-2009, 11:38 PM |
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jrcorleone
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It is encouraging that our QB, RB, top 3 WRS and TE are all within their first 4 seasons in the NFL. I also think that Chris Williams and Josh Beekman could be starters for the next 5 years or so. IMO, Beekman will be back in the starting lineup in 2009, at either G or C.
 Official CBMB Jay Cutler Fan Club: #16 DEVIN AROMASHODU, YOU ARE RIDICULOUS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZP1b5n-OYg My little man, 7 years old and he runs the rock like your supposed to.
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09-29-2009, 12:03 AM |
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A couple of points, if I may;
1) This so-called 'reputation as a gambler who makes mistakes down the stretch' is the DIRECT result of Jimmy Olsen-type sports geeks (think Merril Hodge and Mark Schlereth) who can't comprehend that Jay was down by three touchdowns in most of those games. When your D is allowing over 30pts a game, and you aren't some noodle armed wimp, but a guy with fire and an arm that wants to win, then you THROW. When the other team knows this, they defend appropriately.
2) All of Chicago, including the players, including the coaches, and including the fans have been wondering where the "spoiled-brat, risky gunslinger, crybaby, immature", and all the rest of the adjectives that Denver fans and media have tried to destroy this young man's career with, is.
The truth is that Jay has ALWAYS been a class act, ...he just doesn't act like a metrosexual, emo iamanidiot, that's all, and the media resents the hell out of him for it. He's a man who plays a game that female humans will NEVER play. I don't fault that at all. Matter of fact, I like it.
and 3) As the man once said, "You ain't seen nuthin' yet". So far Jay has been having average games. You just wait till he gets to really know these guys on offense. 300+ yard games will be the norm. Even the announcer said it (Collingsworth last week); "It's so clear when I watch Jay Cutler that he can do things no one else can do in this league."
I am not surprised at all by Jay's performance thus far, or the WR production. I rather expected it. What HAS surprised me is the total absence of a running game. That will eventually start to impact Jay's play for sure. Without an effective running game, Jay will definitely be throwing more, and the other team will know it.
Forte needs to run smarter if Jay is to continue to develop this offense.
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09-29-2009, 12:05 AM |
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jrcorleone:It is encouraging that our QB, RB, top 3 WRS and TE are all within their first 4 seasons in the NFL. I also think that Chris Williams and Josh Beekman could be starters for the next 5 years or so. IMO, Beekman will be back in the starting lineup in 2009, at either G or C.
I sure hope Beekman is back in there, it just doesn't make any sense not to
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09-29-2009, 12:20 AM |
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jrcorleone
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I like Jay also, I think that Denver fans are so hellbent on hating QBs they sometimes get a little overboard. Lets not forget it took along time for the Denver fans to warm up to John Elway. He took a lot of heat from those fans and local media for not coming through for them. THen as an older player, with a great roster around him and awesome running game, he manages the game and wins a couple rings. Then of course he suddenly is the most loved person in Denver sports history. But I remember how they dogged him. They did the same to Griese, Plummer and Jay. The fact of the matter is that Jay was surrounded by poor defense and was subjected to defecits too often. So I agree the things said about Jay were overblown and some even just wrong. I am sure the situation also helped Jay mature as a professional athlete, to our benefit.
 Official CBMB Jay Cutler Fan Club: #16 DEVIN AROMASHODU, YOU ARE RIDICULOUS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZP1b5n-OYg My little man, 7 years old and he runs the rock like your supposed to.
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09-29-2009, 12:21 AM |
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SBJay: 2) All of Chicago, including the players, including the coaches, and including the fans have been wondering where the "spoiled-brat, risky gunslinger, crybaby, immature", and all the rest of the adjectives that Denver fans and media have tried to destroy this young man's career with, is.
The truth is that Jay has ALWAYS been a class act, ...he just doesn't act like a metrosexual, emo iamanidiot, that's all, and the media resents the hell out of him for it. He's a man who plays a game that female humans will NEVER play. I don't fault that at all. Matter of fact, I like it.
I thought Cutler was a spoiled brat too, before the trade. Then it became clear that McDaniels wanted a dink-and-dunk passing offense, and of course Orton is ideal for this. Cutler would never succeed in that kind of environment... so of course he demanded a trade. The trade was good for both teams.
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09-29-2009, 12:26 AM |
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I agree with most of your arguments, but I don't see eye-to-eye on one aspect: the run game. Last year, we were NOT proficient at running the ball, and the only time Forte was able to find any space was when he was making tacklers look outright ridiculous. The offensive line last year was not as athletic as this year's, but it was more cohesive. Forte was a stud last year NOT because he was Adrian "All Day" Peterson with the rock, BUT it was because he was the focal point of the offense. There's a reason Lovie Smith and Jerry Angelo traded out of the first round and gave up the opportunity to draft Rashard Mendenhall and Chris Johnson for Matt Forte; they had ALL the intention of laying the brunt of the burden on his shoulders. The fact that Jay Cutler's in the mix, however, has definitely redefined his role. While he remains the "featured back", the focus is without a doubt the passing attack and he's not getting the ball EFFECTIVELY. We used to give him the ball using screens, slants, hooks, play action, etc. Ron Turner was very creative because he REALIZED the only way to move the chains was to get the ball into Forte's hands and to allow Hester to develop. Fortunately for us, we got a competent QB who's actually accurate and who is clutch. But the Bear's offensive line is very inept at run blocking, mainly because Ron Turner is a pass-happy West Coast offense-inspired fan boy who wants to bring the second coming of Dan Marino and Joe Montana. I hope we stock up on linebackers and offensive lineman next draft.
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09-29-2009, 12:37 AM |
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Dan Marino was the exact opposite of the West Coast offense.
 Official CBMB Jay Cutler Fan Club: #16 DEVIN AROMASHODU, YOU ARE RIDICULOUS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZP1b5n-OYg My little man, 7 years old and he runs the rock like your supposed to.
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09-29-2009, 12:43 AM |
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jpwpcp:I agree with most of your arguments, but I don't see eye-to-eye on one aspect: the run game. Last year, we were NOT proficient at running the ball, and the only time Forte was able to find any space was when he was making tacklers look outright ridiculous. The offensive line last year was not as athletic as this year's, but it was more cohesive. Forte was a stud last year NOT because he was Adrian "All Day" Peterson with the rock, BUT it was because he was the focal point of the offense. There's a reason Lovie Smith and Jerry Angelo traded out of the first round and gave up the opportunity to draft Rashard Mendenhall and Chris Johnson for Matt Forte; they had ALL the intention of laying the brunt of the burden on his shoulders. The fact that Jay Cutler's in the mix, however, has definitely redefined his role. While he remains the "featured back", the focus is without a doubt the passing attack and he's not getting the ball EFFECTIVELY. We used to give him the ball using screens, slants, hooks, play action, etc. Ron Turner was very creative because he REALIZED the only way to move the chains was to get the ball into Forte's hands and to allow Hester to develop. Fortunately for us, we got a competent QB who's actually accurate and who is clutch. But the Bear's offensive line is very inept at run blocking, mainly because Ron Turner is a pass-happy West Coast offense-inspired fan boy who wants to bring the second coming of Dan Marino and Joe Montana. I hope we stock up on linebackers and offensive lineman next draft.
We didn't trade out of the first round, and the staff had no intention of making Forte the starting RB last year, Benson was still on the team when we drafted him
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09-29-2009, 8:22 AM |
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Cutler no doubt is the real deal at quarterback.. accuracy, arm strength, intelligence and mobility. What alot of people don't see is how well he moves in the pocket, giving him the extra time to make a play.
The only thing keeping this offense down is the horrid pass blocking. That is the the main reason we get off to such slow starts, because when the defensive line tires and slows in the second half, Jay can finally get a little bit of time to complete some passes.
Oh.. and he is clutch also.
Lovie Smith's defensive rankings 2004 - 2009. 21st, 2nd,5th,28th,21th,17th.
Lovie Smith's offensive rankings 2004 - 2009. 32nd, 29th, 15th,27th, 26th, 23rd.
Below average defensive years: 4 out of 6 Below average offensive years: 5 out of 6
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09-29-2009, 9:08 AM |
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If you look at what Cutler has done since the econd half kickoff in GB, it is pretty good:
57/89 (64%) 638 yards 5 TD/2 INTS 94.7 QBR
Now I know you cannot cherry pick stats, but if you think about it, this may be a bit true. he was obvioulsy trying too hard in the first half and made some bad decisions, coupled with the inexperience of our WR, especiallyplaying together. One could expect a bit of a slow start.
Realistically, I expect Cutelrs numbers to be closer to the above than how he played in the first half of GB when the dust settles at the end of the year.
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09-29-2009, 9:33 AM |
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Nate8727:I still find it funny that Denver fans think they have the pick that's determined how well we do this season. Didn't they trade that pick to Seattle or something?
The Donco's traded THEIR pick to Seattle...so yeah its how OUR season goes as to where they will pick next year
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09-29-2009, 9:39 AM |
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tdndenver: Nate8727:I still find it funny that Denver fans think they have the pick that's determined how well we do this season. Didn't they trade that pick to Seattle or something?
The Donco's traded THEIR pick to Seattle...so yeah its how OUR season goes as to where they will pick next year
Ahh, my mistake. Well that's even better then. Especially when we get more than 11 wins.
Da Bears!!
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09-29-2009, 9:50 AM |
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SBJay:
2) All of Chicago, including the players, including the coaches, and including the fans have been wondering where the "spoiled-brat, risky gunslinger, crybaby, immature", and all the rest of the adjectives that Denver fans and media have tried to destroy this young man's career with, is.
The truth is that Jay has ALWAYS been a class act, ...he just doesn't act like a metrosexual, emo iamanidiot, that's all, and the media resents the hell out of him for it. He's a man who plays a game that female humans will NEVER play. I don't fault that at all. Matter of fact, I like it.
The criticism of Cutler stems from the fact that the media and some fans like for players (especially QBs) to meet a certain personality mold. For instance, guys like Peyton Manning and Matt Ryan kind of have this nice guy, apple pie image. But that's not Cutler's style. He's moody after a loss, a competitor, impatient with the media at times, and generally nice to fans, but probably not as patient with them as someone like Olsen is. If he's out for the night in Chicago, he maybe doesn't want to talk to every single fan that comes up to him. And like you, I say, "so what?". He's a guy that cares about winning, his teammates, his family, his work with his foundation, and working hard, but I suspect that he's a slight introvert at heart, and just doesn't always have the perfect style for the media and fans 100% of the time. I also think the analysis of his facial expressions is misunderstood and over-analyzed too.
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09-29-2009, 9:58 AM |
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09-29-2009, 11:24 AM |
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jrcorleone:It is encouraging that our QB, RB, top 3 WRS and TE are all within their first 4 seasons in the NFL. I also think that Chris Williams and Josh Beekman could be starters for the next 5 years or so. IMO, Beekman will be back in the starting lineup in 2009, at either G or C.
Beekman could be in there much sooner than next season man it wouldnt surprise me one bit if Beekman supplants Omiyale here in the next few weeks.
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09-29-2009, 11:35 AM |
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You need to watch the Patriots. I can't believe what Brady looks like when he stand like a statue and has a very calm look on his face. Next thing you know the ball gets launched 40+ yards. He gets outstanding protection. After watching Moss and Johnson making incredible catches you have to wonder. This is the Patriots near there worse. Now our wide receivers look good this year.
However our oline seems bad. I think the coaches knew what they were getting with Cutler if they watched film. We know his attitude and his risky throws. Its nice to have a quarterback who can launch it while throwing on his back leg. He looks pretty accurate. Cutler has everything the last two quarterbacks didn't plus the ability to scramble. Although it would be nice to see a Moss type wide receiver and a very solid oline. Also our running backs seems to be problems this year.
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09-29-2009, 12:30 PM |
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I would agree with the sentiment that our O-line has been pretty bad in both run- and pass-blocking. It is amazing how many successful pass plays have included Cutler ducking / avoiding pass rushers running free.
While Cutler has demonstrated great ability to keep plays alive in the pocket, it is reducing opportunities down the field. It is hard to take deep shots when seven-step drops are out of the question.
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09-29-2009, 1:10 PM |
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jrcorleone:Just wanted to post some of his numbers to show how he has performed on paper since we have all seen the games. After 3 games, despite the bad first half against the Packers, Cutler is completing 64.4% of his passes. Now when we talked about Orton being a game manager and not making mistakes this was one area I never understood. If he is checking down, not taking chances and not making mistakes why is he only completing 55 to 57 percent of his pases? So its good to see Cutler being efficient. He also has a 86.2 QB rating which is awesome considering how negatively those first 4 interceptions hurt his rating. So the fficiency again looks to be good and improving, considering he is unlikely to throw 4 picks every three games, those numbers should stay in this region or even increase. Right now he has 6 TDs passes in 3 games, on tract for 32 for the year which probabley is a little higher than his actual year end total might be. He has thrown for 760 yards on track for just over 4000 yards, again another number I think could be higher than his actual year end total. On pace for 27 interceptions due to the Packer game, certainly a number that cannot actually be reached or all hell would break loose. What I do like is his 5 TDs and 1 INT the past two games with a completion percentage well over 70%. Of course to me whats more important than anything I already mentioned is that in 3 games he has driven the offense down the field for go ahead leads late in each game. The poise he showed in those situations is very impressive considering the reputation he had as a gambler that had a tendency to make mistakes down the stretch. Provided the defense can keep playing at a decent level and the WRs and TEs keep up the good play it should be a good year for Jay. If the defense could generate some more turnovers and we could get the running game going the rest of the year could be superb for Jay. I am very happy with how Jay has played thus far, minus the first half of the opener. I will say it seems to me that having gutted our WR corp of the old vets that were no longer reliable and playmakers, we may have surrounded Jay with exactly what he needs. Fast young WRs that can make some plays on their own as well as be reliable and make key receptions. The foursome of Cutler, Hester, Bennett and Knox has been as good as I could have hoped at this point. Hopefully as the season goes on he can get the ball to the WRs more often and downfield a little more. I think the speed at WR should help us get some huge plays in the passing game at some point and I think against Detroit we could see Hester breakout a little as our deep threat. Once that happens the pressure could be off the OL a little bit to get Forte going, cause I still think defenses are playing tight and trying to stop the run.
Jay is 16th in the NFL right now with 86.2 pass rating ( not so awesome )
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hate to bring this up but if jay is awesome at 86.2 then Kyle orton must be far better sitting at 10th in the NFL at 91.2 pass rating
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