Lovie won't rule out changes in O-line

With running game stalled, Beekman could get a chance

Of all the problems the Bears' offense had Sunday night in Atlanta, the turnovers in the red zone trumped them all.

The popular cry has been for change on the offensive line -- which coach Lovie Smith didn't rule out -- but just as in their loss at Green Bay, the Bears would have won if they had converted near the goal line.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/1834408,CST-SPT-bear20.article

I would hope to god not. Obviously some changes need to be made...

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dbears54:

Lovie won't rule out changes in O-line

With running game stalled, Beekman could get a chance

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October 20, 2009

BY BRAD BIGGS bbiggs@suntimes.com

Of all the problems the Bears' offense had Sunday night in Atlanta, the turnovers in the red zone trumped them all.

The popular cry has been for change on the offensive line -- which coach Lovie Smith didn't rule out -- but just as in their loss at Green Bay, the Bears would have won if they had converted near the goal line.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/1834408,CST-SPT-bear20.article

You know, I try to be patient with our coaching staff.  Lovie got us to a Super Bowl a few years ago.  I think he is a good coach, and I think he can get us back there.  But this is just to much.

Let's say Lovie's house is on fire.  It's a four alarm job and the firefighters can't save it.  As Lovie watches his house collapse in flames, someone asks him for his thoughts.  What does he say?

"I won't rule out moving to another house".

 

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Yeah mike, why be the Calm person in a fire or medi storm? be MUCh beter to start screaming tellign people ALL IS LOST! RUN FIRE FIRE! and get peopel killed ina  fire.. or in teh case of teh bears, witha  overstuarated emdia LOOKIGN FOR ANYTHIGN to blow into the next crisis, teh enxt "culter fights with urlacher', "cutler calls out hester ".. lets play right into the media's hand and make any situation 10X worse with headliens..

personally LOVE that he doesnt play that game, doesn't give the writers the ofdder they need to start Bs stories and controveries. not sure WHY you want discontent, problems and instead of focusing on teh enxt game, have 10 reporters askign abotu quotes, distracting from game plannign with 'wel coach said xyx, don' yuo think your job is in trouble? nonsense"

hell look at jeff fisher with titans, he isn't panicking or ripping players and they jsut lost 59-0 not in teh last minute.. Packers o line has given up 25 sacks, and yet their HC says everything si fine and we are woking on teh problem.. but no oen kills either of those guys for it.. yet lovie says some "coachspeak" and blasted for it, its bizzare

dbears54:

Yeah mike, why be the Calm person in a fire or medi storm? be MUCh beter to start screaming tellign people ALL IS LOST! RUN FIRE FIRE! and get peopel killed ina  fire.. or in teh case of teh bears, witha  overstuarated emdia LOOKIGN FOR ANYTHIGN to blow into the next crisis, teh enxt "culter fights with urlacher', "cutler calls out hester ".. lets play right into the media's hand and make any situation 10X worse with headliens..

personally LOVE that he doesnt play that game, doesn't give the writers the ofdder they need to start Bs stories and controveries. not sure WHY you want discontent, problems and instead of focusing on teh enxt game, have 10 reporters askign abotu quotes, distracting from game plannign with 'wel coach said xyx, don' yuo think your job is in trouble? nonsense"

hell look at jeff fisher with titans, he isn't panicking or ripping players and they jsut lost 59-0 not in teh last minute.. Packers o line has given up 25 sacks, and yet their HC says everything si fine and we are woking on teh problem.. but no oen kills either of those guys for it.. yet lovie says some "coachspeak" and blasted for it, its bizzare

I'm rolling with DBears on this one.....

At the sametime, the video is clear that Omiyale is a detriment to this O-Line.....

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Is it just me or does Lovie just seem like he does this sort of crap because he knows nothing will happen to him?  I mean, us fans can see that the OLine sucks big time but for some reason our HC doesnt see that.  is it because no one has the Ball$ to fire lovie for making stupid calls or what is the deal?

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Sdiver2009:

dbears54:

Yeah mike, why be the Calm person in a fire or medi storm? be MUCh beter to start screaming tellign people ALL IS LOST! RUN FIRE FIRE! and get peopel killed ina  fire.. or in teh case of teh bears, witha  overstuarated emdia LOOKIGN FOR ANYTHIGN to blow into the next crisis, teh enxt "culter fights with urlacher', "cutler calls out hester ".. lets play right into the media's hand and make any situation 10X worse with headliens..

personally LOVE that he doesnt play that game, doesn't give the writers the ofdder they need to start Bs stories and controveries. not sure WHY you want discontent, problems and instead of focusing on teh enxt game, have 10 reporters askign abotu quotes, distracting from game plannign with 'wel coach said xyx, don' yuo think your job is in trouble? nonsense"

hell look at jeff fisher with titans, he isn't panicking or ripping players and they jsut lost 59-0 not in teh last minute.. Packers o line has given up 25 sacks, and yet their HC says everything si fine and we are woking on teh problem.. but no oen kills either of those guys for it.. yet lovie says some "coachspeak" and blasted for it, its bizzare

I'm rolling with DBears on this one.....

At the sametime, the video is clear that Omiyale is a detriment to this O-Line.....

and do think changes are coming ,just no need to turn it into a witch hunt AND dewtroy omiylae now( esp if an injury and need him later in year, that is really counterproductive

lovie's actual quote:

We look at changes after every game, we look at what gives us the best opportunity to win, but I don't foresee any major changes on the offensive line."

"Would (inserting Beekman in the line) it be a major change? It would be a change, I don't know about major. It would be a change. Again, we're evaluating things like we do each week, no more than that. Josh has done a good job for us."

I think they wanted to give Frank enough time and rope to hang himself. I suspect the long tern goal was hoping for him to come through at tackle and have Beek take center. The bye film and time to address Franks failings were probably why nothings happened yet. After this game, there is no longer a reason to wait. Times up on the experiment.

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Watching them play over the last 2-3 years was so painful for me that I would actually switch the channel to CBS to watch freaking AFC football with REAL QB's.

And there you have it. How many real fans turn them off?

bearlythere:

I think they wanted to give Frank enough time and rope to hang himself. I suspect the long tern goal was hoping for him to come through at tackle and have Beek take center. The bye film and time to address Franks failings were probably why nothings happened yet. After this game, there is no longer a reason to wait. Times up on the experiment.

Agreed bearly and think the Liosn game "gave omiyale a week reprieve and hoped he had turned it around, but sunday was the day of reckoning. but logic here has no palce, need emotion shoot from teh hip stuff and all is lost : )

dbears54:

bearlythere:

I think they wanted to give Frank enough time and rope to hang himself. I suspect the long tern goal was hoping for him to come through at tackle and have Beek take center. The bye film and time to address Franks failings were probably why nothings happened yet. After this game, there is no longer a reason to wait. Times up on the experiment.

Agreed bearly and think the Liosn game "gave omiyale a week reprieve and hoped he had turned it around, but sunday was the day of reckoning. but logic here has no palce, need emotion shoot from teh hip stuff and all is lost : )

OK, I made a bad joke with the house fire analogy.  Still, can anyone here explain why Beekman lost his job in the first place?  He started all 16 games last year.  I watched every game, and I do not remember screaming "Beekman you suck!" one time.  Replace Beekman with Omiyale, and I have screamed that many times this season.  Beekman did a decent job last year.

If Lovie makes the necessary changes on the O line, then we are a playoff team this year.  We have Bengals on the road, followed by Browns and Cards at home, to finish up the first half of the season.  I can easily see us winning all 3 of those games, and being 6 and 2 at the halfway point. 

I'm getting to the point where I can no longer joke about the Packers offensive line.  Is ours much better?

 

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BearsFanMike:

dbears54:

bearlythere:

I think they wanted to give Frank enough time and rope to hang himself. I suspect the long tern goal was hoping for him to come through at tackle and have Beek take center. The bye film and time to address Franks failings were probably why nothings happened yet. After this game, there is no longer a reason to wait. Times up on the experiment.

Agreed bearly and think the Liosn game "gave omiyale a week reprieve and hoped he had turned it around, but sunday was the day of reckoning. but logic here has no palce, need emotion shoot from teh hip stuff and all is lost : )

OK, I made a bad joke with the house fire analogy.  Still, can anyone here explain why Beekman lost his job in the first place?  He started all 16 games last year.  I watched every game, and I do not remember screaming "Beekman you suck!" one time.  Replace Beekman with Omiyale, and I have screamed that many times this season.  Beekman did a decent job last year.

If Lovie makes the necessary changes on the O line, then we are a playoff team this year.  We have Bengals on the road, followed by Browns and Cards at home, to finish up the first half of the season.  I can easily see us winning all 3 of those games, and being 6 and 2 at the halfway point. 

I'm getting to the point where I can no longer joke about the Packers offensive line.  Is ours much better?

Ok i'll tell you ,but because its logical and not emotional,you may not like it.

Last year Beekmen was GOOD at pulling but Awful in short yardage and goaline, he constantly got pushed back in short yardage, and why last year we were 24th in league on 3rd and 1 and 3rd and 2. he is undersized, and most likely his NFL future is actually at Center.By end of year we were using Willams as a TE at goaline and running behind him for td's instead of middle of line

So, to improve on the size on the line, we got Omiyale, who ahd looked very good in limited time on Panthers last year at Guard and tackle.. and his extr bulk and size would improve what was the problem last year, short yardage push and getting those 3rd down conversionr ate up..

That is logic and reason behind it.

Now omiyale hasn't lived up to his end of the bargain and is still not getting  push, so you go back to Beekman( who like the back up qb, now had moved to "mythic status" of a great player, when he isn't), who hopefully has bulked up and will not be on backside oin short yardage now, but jsut IMo in the elast it will help our run game on pulling plays

dbears54:

Yeah mike, why be the Calm person in a fire or medi storm? be MUCh beter to start screaming tellign people ALL IS LOST! RUN FIRE FIRE! and get peopel killed ina  fire.

There is a middle ground between a coach like Lovie who doesn't say jack and a coach like Denny Green who's out of control.  I don't think people are asking Lovie to be out of control, just a little less rigid and more direct.  I listen to many other coaches on Sirius NFL who can find that middle ground that Lovie cannot.

On the article, it's basically meaningless.  Lovie isn't saying he will make changes, he's saying he won't make major changes and that's about it. 

Alfalfa:

dbears54:

Yeah mike, why be the Calm person in a fire or medi storm? be MUCh beter to start screaming tellign people ALL IS LOST! RUN FIRE FIRE! and get peopel killed ina  fire.

There is a middle ground between a coach like Lovie who doesn't say jack and a coach like Denny Green who's out of control.  I don't think people are asking Lovie to be out of control, just a little less rigid and more direct.  I listen to many other coaches on Sirius NFL who can find that middle ground that Lovie cannot.

On the article, it's basically meaningless.  Lovie isn't saying he will make changes, he's saying he won't make major changes and that's about it. 

Somewhat agree, BUT ina  media town like chicago, where have a pack of wolves looking FOR ANYTHIGN to top the other to a "story' and page views, its better to "err" on side of caution and NOTHING.

Hell the rare times lovie has ever said anything critical its GETS BLOWN WAY out of proportion and  becomes hedlines, so completely understand why its so guarded now.

As an example culter's innocent comment that a 6'0 hester isn't a  "jump ball guy' become a national story of discontent and media firestorm for 2 weks, over a comment that never was a big deal and jsut a obvious truth. front page of papers lead story on ESPN and their talk shows

Rodgers up in greenaby lambasts his whole line , and calls out the Tackles as awful, but because its in media backwater reenbay Nothing is made of it..or is culter called out for talking down to his otehr players or being petulant.

The media has changed, there used to be "give an take" between reporters and players that is still sort of tehre in small towns liek carolina, greenbay,jax etc.. BUt not in the ny's chicago etc.. there its a free-for-all, and IMo you ned to be alot more careful and guarded because of how quickly it becomes a distraction to team and instead of preparing for games, have aeveryone being hounded about a silly comment YOU DO NOT WANT.

Also like to state somethigng obvious  for all the Whiners.

let' say lovie is switching to Beekman this week, or any other move..

Would you rather as a fan of the bears:

 

A) have the Coach not announce a change, so the opposing team maybe doesn't study the new players as much, and spends more time just studying an opponent, liek frank  that isn't playing? and wasting alot of film study?

b) announce it RIGHT NOW!, so you as a fan feel better, and gives the opponent more time to dig up last year footage on beekman's tendancies and good/badd? and not bother looking at film of omiyale all week, because they know beekman early in week will be playing?

Personaly I stick with "A" all teh tiem, despite it meaning we as fans aren't told up front, but "may" help us sunday, i'm funny that way

Cutler_4_MVP:

Is it just me or does Lovie just seem like he does this sort of crap because he knows nothing will happen to him?  I mean, us fans can see that the OLine sucks big time but for some reason our HC doesnt see that.  is it because no one has the Ball$ to fire lovie for making stupid calls or what is the deal?

It is just you. I do not think anyone's job in the NFL is safe. The Bears have a history of firing coaches, so I have no idea why you would think this.

Lovie has made some FANTASTIC changes this year. Our D is playing ball again, and without Url and Pisa. Our D is predicated on good LB's and we are using our back ups and still playing top 10 D. We have a winning team, and a QB that went 3 straight games with a 100 rating.

Opponents are not taking our WR's lightly, they are taking the Oline lightly thinking that they can contain Cutler best with a rush, rather than dropping 7 or 8. So they are stacking the box, taking Forte out of the game plan completely and then moving Jay around because they can. No deep passes to Knox or Hester and Olsen has been asked to block more and is having trouble getting off the line.

It is time for Turner to adjust to what is happening, and spread the D out. If he is going to pass to open up the run, it is helpful to have that work.

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good point JN

dbears54:

Also like to state somethigng obvious  for all the Whiners.

let' say lovie is switching to Beekman this week, or any other move..

Would you rather as a fan of the bears:

 

A) have the Coach not announce a change, so the opposing team maybe doesn't study the new players as much, and spends more time just studying an opponent, liek frank  that isn't playing? and wasting alot of film study?

b) announce it RIGHT NOW!, so you as a fan feel better, and gives the opponent more time to dig up last year footage on beekman's tendancies and good/badd? and not bother looking at film of omiyale all week, because they know beekman early in week will be playing?

Personaly I stick with "A" all teh tiem, despite it meaning we as fans aren't told up front, but "may" help us sunday, i'm funny that way

DBears, I am with you on the timing issue of an announced change.  If we wants to wait until Friday so the Bengals are not prepared, that is fine.  I was just thinking that the bye week might have been a good time to put Omiyale on the bench.  That would give Beekman more time to prepare for the jump to the starting lineup.

My point before was that Omiyale may be potentially killing our season.  We already have two losses, and the Vikes might lose 4 games all year.  I am still in the camp that says we can win this division, but the margin of error is now very small. 

Your film study point I have to take issue with.  If opposing teams are studying film of Omiyale, they aren't going to learn anything.  They might get a few laughs out of it, but that is about it. 

Whatever happened to Kevin Schaffer?

 

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dbears54:

good point JN

HEY, we agree again. All is right with the world.

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BearsFanMike:

dbears54:

bearlythere:

I think they wanted to give Frank enough time and rope to hang himself. I suspect the long tern goal was hoping for him to come through at tackle and have Beek take center. The bye film and time to address Franks failings were probably why nothings happened yet. After this game, there is no longer a reason to wait. Times up on the experiment.

Agreed bearly and think the Liosn game "gave omiyale a week reprieve and hoped he had turned it around, but sunday was the day of reckoning. but logic here has no palce, need emotion shoot from teh hip stuff and all is lost : )

OK, I made a bad joke with the house fire analogy.  Still, can anyone here explain why Beekman lost his job in the first place?  He started all 16 games last year.  I watched every game, and I do not remember screaming "Beekman you suck!" one time.  Replace Beekman with Omiyale, and I have screamed that many times this season.  Beekman did a decent job last year.

If Lovie makes the necessary changes on the O line, then we are a playoff team this year.  We have Bengals on the road, followed by Browns and Cards at home, to finish up the first half of the season.  I can easily see us winning all 3 of those games, and being 6 and 2 at the halfway point. 

I'm getting to the point where I can no longer joke about the Packers offensive line.  Is ours much better?

 

Our line is worst then the Packers, they can run the ball against NFL teams not named the Lions. Not only can't the Bears run it, they look like a high school team trying too.

BearsFanMike:

dbears54:

Also like to state somethigng obvious  for all the Whiners.

let' say lovie is switching to Beekman this week, or any other move..

Would you rather as a fan of the bears:

 

A) have the Coach not announce a change, so the opposing team maybe doesn't study the new players as much, and spends more time just studying an opponent, liek frank  that isn't playing? and wasting alot of film study?

b) announce it RIGHT NOW!, so you as a fan feel better, and gives the opponent more time to dig up last year footage on beekman's tendancies and good/badd? and not bother looking at film of omiyale all week, because they know beekman early in week will be playing?

Personaly I stick with "A" all teh tiem, despite it meaning we as fans aren't told up front, but "may" help us sunday, i'm funny that way

DBears, I am with you on the timing issue of an announced change.  If we wants to wait until Friday so the Bengals are not prepared, that is fine.  I was just thinking that the bye week might have been a good time to put Omiyale on the bench.  That would give Beekman more time to prepare for the jump to the starting lineup.

My point before was that Omiyale may be potentially killing our season.  We already have two losses, and the Vikes might lose 4 games all year.  I am still in the camp that says we can win this division, but the margin of error is now very small. 

Your film study point I have to take issue with.  If opposing teams are studying film of Omiyale, they aren't going to learn anything.  They might get a few laughs out of it, but that is about it. 

Whatever happened to Kevin Schaffer?

 

As said before  and just IMO, think the  lions game brought omiyale a stay of execution until atlanta. Oline's need chemistry and think they like to err on side of caution of giving it another week to blend, than switching it at first sign of trouble. But now think its time for a change, they gave him teh benfeit of doubt, and jsut hasn't been rewarded.

And shaffer was awful in preseason lettign in 6 sacks aagisnt 3rd string srubds, which i shuder to think how instead of a guy loading bozes now, he is trying to stop jared allen what would ahppen.

and on vikes.. they play piits this week and we have 2 games against them.. we STIL control our destiny with vikes, albeit as you said  the margin of error tighning down, really thought he ravens were going to win at end..

and on beekman as astarter last year don't think needs that much preparation,, and while we can joke about omiyale, teasm never joke about anyone, and trsut me they break down all tapes, break down lineman's feet and shoulder motiosn for "clues" on run/pass play sets.. and if we can make them waste omiyale tiem on that, i'm all for it : 0

BearsFanMike:

dbears54:

Also like to state somethigng obvious  for all the Whiners.

let' say lovie is switching to Beekman this week, or any other move..

Would you rather as a fan of the bears:

 

A) have the Coach not announce a change, so the opposing team maybe doesn't study the new players as much, and spends more time just studying an opponent, liek frank  that isn't playing? and wasting alot of film study?

b) announce it RIGHT NOW!, so you as a fan feel better, and gives the opponent more time to dig up last year footage on beekman's tendancies and good/badd? and not bother looking at film of omiyale all week, because they know beekman early in week will be playing?

Personaly I stick with "A" all teh tiem, despite it meaning we as fans aren't told up front, but "may" help us sunday, i'm funny that way

DBears, I am with you on the timing issue of an announced change.  If we wants to wait until Friday so the Bengals are not prepared, that is fine.  I was just thinking that the bye week might have been a good time to put Omiyale on the bench.  That would give Beekman more time to prepare for the jump to the starting lineup.

My point before was that Omiyale may be potentially killing our season.  We already have two losses, and the Vikes might lose 4 games all year.  I am still in the camp that says we can win this division, but the margin of error is now very small. 

Your film study point I have to take issue with.  If opposing teams are studying film of Omiyale, they aren't going to learn anything.  They might get a few laughs out of it, but that is about it. 

Whatever happened to Kevin Schaffer?

 

 

Shaffer is still listed on our depth chart. Our only backups at o-line are Beekman, Shaffer and Louis. And Louis is a rookie. It's slim pickins in the O-line. We would have to go to free agency or a trade if we want any real change.

I know Lovie and hearing that quote from him means Beekman is going to start this Sunday. He knows we can't waste any time and falling to 3-3 is not condusive to making the playoffs in this NFC climate. We need to reel off another 3 game winning streak and get the running game going STAT.

The Bungles are starting to nose-dive again and then we got the Browns and Cards at home. Time is ripe to get a new energy into the Offense, thus the team.

6-2 at the halfway point probably puts us within 1 game or tied with Minnesota for NFCN lead. BEEKMAN!!!

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jnastorer:

dbears54:

good point JN

HEY, we agree again. All is right with the world.

ROFLMAO : )

BearFanDan1:

BearsFanMike:

dbears54:

bearlythere:

I think they wanted to give Frank enough time and rope to hang himself. I suspect the long tern goal was hoping for him to come through at tackle and have Beek take center. The bye film and time to address Franks failings were probably why nothings happened yet. After this game, there is no longer a reason to wait. Times up on the experiment.

Agreed bearly and think the Liosn game "gave omiyale a week reprieve and hoped he had turned it around, but sunday was the day of reckoning. but logic here has no palce, need emotion shoot from teh hip stuff and all is lost : )

OK, I made a bad joke with the house fire analogy.  Still, can anyone here explain why Beekman lost his job in the first place?  He started all 16 games last year.  I watched every game, and I do not remember screaming "Beekman you suck!" one time.  Replace Beekman with Omiyale, and I have screamed that many times this season.  Beekman did a decent job last year.

If Lovie makes the necessary changes on the O line, then we are a playoff team this year.  We have Bengals on the road, followed by Browns and Cards at home, to finish up the first half of the season.  I can easily see us winning all 3 of those games, and being 6 and 2 at the halfway point. 

I'm getting to the point where I can no longer joke about the Packers offensive line.  Is ours much better?

 

Our line is worst then the Packers, they can run the ball against NFL teams not named the Lions. Not only can't the Bears run it, they look like a high school team trying too.

actually they can't.. they jsut got to play BOTH lions AND rams already and we got pitts and atlnata instead..

and despite facing those 2 clowns STILL have given up 2.5X the # of sacks ( 25 to our 10) and the run games within 3 yatds of each other

can't wait to see what pitts does to rodgers..

dbears54:

Yeah mike, why be the Calm person in a fire or medi storm? be MUCh beter to start screaming tellign people ALL IS LOST! RUN FIRE FIRE! and get peopel killed ina  fire.. or in teh case of teh bears, witha  overstuarated emdia LOOKIGN FOR ANYTHIGN to blow into the next crisis, teh enxt "culter fights with urlacher', "cutler calls out hester ".. lets play right into the media's hand and make any situation 10X worse with headliens..

personally LOVE that he doesnt play that game, doesn't give the writers the ofdder they need to start Bs stories and controveries. not sure WHY you want discontent, problems and instead of focusing on teh enxt game, have 10 reporters askign abotu quotes, distracting from game plannign with 'wel coach said xyx, don' yuo think your job is in trouble? nonsense"

hell look at jeff fisher with titans, he isn't panicking or ripping players and they jsut lost 59-0 not in teh last minute.. Packers o line has given up 25 sacks, and yet their HC says everything si fine and we are woking on teh problem.. but no oen kills either of those guys for it.. yet lovie says some "coachspeak" and blasted for it, its bizzare

I really don't listen to Lovie speak any more because that is exactly what you will get.

I want Action. We have a good Guard on the Bench.

I was patient through the First Quarter of the Season, and we even saw improvement in the Lions game. But after the Atlanta Game, I'm done being patient.

Bench OMG today Lovie!!! Today!