http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091104/ap_on_bi_ge/us_stimulus_jobs_4

well nice to see some people getting raises at least I guess lol.

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Yeah thats where my money went I lost 8%

Me? I'm taking a 16% hit this year. And I saw 2 months of work for a stimulus recipient--I might have been laid off during that time. But the govt telling recipients to count raises as new positions/hires so they can pad stats? That's just criminal.

 

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They'll jury-rig figures all day long.

They mean nothing, really.

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Do you think this will be the lead story on the national news? Or how about blaming the President for the lack of enough flu vaccines as they did the previous administration when it happened on their watch? Or the report that Cash for Clunkers was awash with instances of people getting new cars and trucks with the same, less or marginal improvement in gas mileage as their trade-in, contrary to the concept of the plan? No administration is perfect, but the mainstream news media wants us to believe this one is. In the time it took me to type this, I saved 10,000 jobs. Prove I didn't.

mallen1971:

In the time it took me to type this, I saved 10,000 jobs. Prove I didn't.

the general rule in this forum is if you make the claim, then you provide proof of said claim...so you prove you did lol.

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What makes me angry is two days in a row I am reading about new contracts for school teachers where they are getting step increases (raises that are not called raises) and in some instances raises on top of that while people in the private sector are continuing to lose jobs or having to take pay cuts.  Yet our taxes continue to increase and those same taxes are being used to pay for these raises.  Where is the logic?  And what are the teachers going to do if they don't get their new contract with the step increases and raises?  Are they going to quit?  Are they going to go on strike in this economy?

kansascomet:

They'll jury-rig figures all day long.

They mean nothing, really.

If you get a raise, it means you were not laid off.   Sounds like something saved a job to me.

Amazing how some people can find fault in good news, just because they don't like the guy in office. 

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Mozart1220:

kansascomet:

They'll jury-rig figures all day long.

They mean nothing, really.

If you get a raise, it means you were not laid off.   Sounds like something saved a job to me.

Amazing how some people can find fault in good news, just because they don't like the guy in office. 

I think the point is that there is no logic to it.  Getting a raise is not a job saved or a job created.  Using the extra money to retain a job is a job saved or using the extra money to hire somebody is a job created.  If the employer obtains money as part of the job stimulus package, why not use it to employ more people?  If the employer is in no need of additional employees, why is the employer receiving the stimulus money?  The stimulus money was not intended to give more money to those who already have it.  It was to stimulate jobs for those who do not have them or are in jeopardy of losing them.  Not getting a raise is not jeopardy of losing a job.

BearFan40:

Mozart1220:

kansascomet:

They'll jury-rig figures all day long.

They mean nothing, really.

If you get a raise, it means you were not laid off.   Sounds like something saved a job to me.

Amazing how some people can find fault in good news, just because they don't like the guy in office. 

I think the point is that there is no logic to it.  Getting a raise is not a job saved or a job created. 

Niether is someone joining the military, but Bush called them "created jobs".  He also bragged about people having to work three jobs to support a family.  Where were you then?

Using the extra money to retain a job is a job saved or using the extra money to hire somebody is a job created.  If the employer obtains money as part of the job stimulus package, why not use it to employ more people? 

What if he wants to keep the ones he has?

If the employer is in no need of additional employees, why is the employer receiving the stimulus money?  The stimulus money was not intended to give more money to those who already have it.  It was to stimulate jobs for those who do not have them or are in jeopardy of losing them.  Not getting a raise is not jeopardy of losing a job.

It is incentive to go look someplace else.  Some employers like to keep good people, which helps the buisiness and thus, others who might get laid off later. 

 

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Mozart1220:

It is incentive to go look someplace else.  Some employers like to keep good people, which helps the buisiness and thus, others who might get laid off later. 

 

Who you crappin Moz?

Have you seen the unemployment rate lately?

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onebud34:

Mozart1220:

It is incentive to go look someplace else.  Some employers like to keep good people, which helps the buisiness and thus, others who might get laid off later. 

 

Who you crappin Moz?

Have you seen the unemployment rate lately?

Have you seen how I said SOME employers?

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Mozart1220:

kansascomet:

They'll jury-rig figures all day long.

They mean nothing, really.

If you get a raise, it means you were not laid off.   Sounds like something saved a job to me.

Amazing how some people can find fault in good news, just because they don't like the guy in office. 

noo, it means that if you got a raise, the company could already afford to keep you at your current pay rate, otherwise if they were going to lay you off, the money would have just been used to keep you at your current pay rate since they couldnt afford that.

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Mozart1220:

onebud34:

Mozart1220:

It is incentive to go look someplace else.  Some employers like to keep good people, which helps the buisiness and thus, others who might get laid off later. 

 

Who you crappin Moz?

Have you seen the unemployment rate lately?

Have you seen how I said SOME employers?

But you still miss the point.  If they have the cash to do it - fine.  If they are in need of obtaining stimulus money, then they should be using that money to stimulate new jobs - or retain jobs.  Not giving more to people who already have jobs.  I have an idea, why don't you take your paycheck this week, find one of your neighbors who just bought a new car and give them your paycheck.  See if that makes sense to you.

Spin:

Mozart1220:

kansascomet:

They'll jury-rig figures all day long.

They mean nothing, really.

If you get a raise, it means you were not laid off.   Sounds like something saved a job to me.

Amazing how some people can find fault in good news, just because they don't like the guy in office. 

noo, it means that if you got a raise, the company could already afford to keep you at your current pay rate, otherwise if they were going to lay you off, the money would have just been used to keep you at your current pay rate since they couldnt afford that.

Exactly.

Mozart1220:

onebud34:

Mozart1220:

It is incentive to go look someplace else.  Some employers like to keep good people, which helps the buisiness and thus, others who might get laid off later. 

 

Who you crappin Moz?

Have you seen the unemployment rate lately?

Have you seen how I said SOME employers?

Some? Many? None?

I think it has been stated by a couple posters quite thoroughly.

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I hope AIG didn't give out any raises. They got a bail out/received stimulus money AND they are a Big Insurer. Funny how that puts Mozzy in this crazy juxtaposition. On one hand, he's celebrating these recipients of stimulus money, but he's then got to cheer for his most hated of enemies, a big corporation and an insurer at that! I'm sure he'll justify it with some wise crack about Bush.

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MBM:

I hope AIG didn't give out any raises. They got a bail out/received stimulus money AND they are a Big Insurer. Funny how that puts Mozzy in this crazy juxtaposition. On one hand, he's celebrating these recipients of stimulus money, but he's then got to cheer for his most hated of enemies, a big corporation and an insurer at that! I'm sure he'll justify it with some wise crack about Bush.

I don't remember "cheering" anyone.   Maybe MBM can invent something out of thin air. He's good at that.

As for unemployment...

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/Dispatch/default.aspx?feat=1353502

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BearFan40:

Mozart1220:

onebud34:

Mozart1220:

It is incentive to go look someplace else.  Some employers like to keep good people, which helps the buisiness and thus, others who might get laid off later. 

 

Who you crappin Moz?

Have you seen the unemployment rate lately?

Have you seen how I said SOME employers?

But you still miss the point.  If they have the cash to do it - fine.  If they are in need of obtaining stimulus money, then they should be using that money to stimulate new jobs - or retain jobs.  Not giving more to people who already have jobs.  I have an idea, why don't you take your paycheck this week, find one of your neighbors who just bought a new car and give them your paycheck.  See if that makes sense to you.

How about discovering I have some money saved up and deciding to give it back to my employer becuse I've been "overpaid".  Then I go out and buy a new house. 

That's kind of like Bush's "tax rebate" in 2000. (which was actually a bribe to get people to forget the stolen election)

Now watch as I get railed for daring to mention the guy who wrecked the economy in the first place.

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Manipulate the people for the money they pay
Selling skin, selling God
The numbers look the same on their credit cards
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Mozart1220:

MBM:

I hope AIG didn't give out any raises. They got a bail out/received stimulus money AND they are a Big Insurer. Funny how that puts Mozzy in this crazy juxtaposition. On one hand, he's celebrating these recipients of stimulus money, but he's then got to cheer for his most hated of enemies, a big corporation and an insurer at that! I'm sure he'll justify it with some wise crack about Bush.

I don't remember "cheering" anyone.   Maybe MBM can invent something out of thin air. He's good at that.

As for unemployment...

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/Dispatch/default.aspx?feat=1353502

Woohoo!

Only half a million!

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Mozart1220:

BearFan40:

Mozart1220:

onebud34:

Mozart1220:

It is incentive to go look someplace else.  Some employers like to keep good people, which helps the buisiness and thus, others who might get laid off later. 

 

Who you crappin Moz?

Have you seen the unemployment rate lately?

Have you seen how I said SOME employers?

But you still miss the point.  If they have the cash to do it - fine.  If they are in need of obtaining stimulus money, then they should be using that money to stimulate new jobs - or retain jobs.  Not giving more to people who already have jobs.  I have an idea, why don't you take your paycheck this week, find one of your neighbors who just bought a new car and give them your paycheck.  See if that makes sense to you.

How about discovering I have some money saved up and deciding to give it back to my employer becuse I've been "overpaid".  Then I go out and buy a new house.   um, I need this broke down into dumdum terms, its early for me still and I don't get it lol..seriously please.

That's kind of like Bush's "tax rebate" in 2000. (which was actually a bribe to get people to forget the stolen election)  alrighty then

Now watch as I get railed for daring to mention the guy who wrecked the economy in the first place.  and you know the economy started going south with deregulation and every president for the last 20 years has had their hand in it, placing blame on 1 guy is unfair Moz.

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onebud34:

Mozart1220:

MBM:

I hope AIG didn't give out any raises. They got a bail out/received stimulus money AND they are a Big Insurer. Funny how that puts Mozzy in this crazy juxtaposition. On one hand, he's celebrating these recipients of stimulus money, but he's then got to cheer for his most hated of enemies, a big corporation and an insurer at that! I'm sure he'll justify it with some wise crack about Bush.

I don't remember "cheering" anyone.   Maybe MBM can invent something out of thin air. He's good at that.

As for unemployment...

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/Dispatch/default.aspx?feat=1353502

Woohoo!

Only half a million!

talk to me after tomorrow about unemployment

"The government is to report Friday October labor market data, expected to show the unemployment rate rising to 9.9 percent from a 26-year high of 9.8 percent in September."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gDMcVDXUv_gXRdYogEKGL46vr0eQ

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Spin:

onebud34:

Mozart1220:

MBM:

I hope AIG didn't give out any raises. They got a bail out/received stimulus money AND they are a Big Insurer. Funny how that puts Mozzy in this crazy juxtaposition. On one hand, he's celebrating these recipients of stimulus money, but he's then got to cheer for his most hated of enemies, a big corporation and an insurer at that! I'm sure he'll justify it with some wise crack about Bush.

I don't remember "cheering" anyone.   Maybe MBM can invent something out of thin air. He's good at that.

As for unemployment...

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/Dispatch/default.aspx?feat=1353502

Woohoo!

Only half a million!

talk to me after tomorrow about unemployment

"The government is to report Friday October labor market data, expected to show the unemployment rate rising to 9.9 percent from a 26-year high of 9.8 percent in September."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gDMcVDXUv_gXRdYogEKGL46vr0eQ

Yeppers. Only some oblivious to the obvious would gloat about initial jobless claims falling to 500K when the unemployment rate is hovering around 10%

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It doesn't have anything to do with 'the guy in office now'.

The guy in office now is a puppet for financial interests. So was the guy before him. And the the guy before him. And the guy before him...etc etc etc...

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Mozart1220:

BearFan40:

Mozart1220:

onebud34:

Mozart1220:

It is incentive to go look someplace else.  Some employers like to keep good people, which helps the buisiness and thus, others who might get laid off later. 

 

Who you crappin Moz?

Have you seen the unemployment rate lately?

Have you seen how I said SOME employers?

But you still miss the point.  If they have the cash to do it - fine.  If they are in need of obtaining stimulus money, then they should be using that money to stimulate new jobs - or retain jobs.  Not giving more to people who already have jobs.  I have an idea, why don't you take your paycheck this week, find one of your neighbors who just bought a new car and give them your paycheck.  See if that makes sense to you.

How about discovering I have some money saved up and deciding to give it back to my employer becuse I've been "overpaid".  Then I go out and buy a new house. 

That's kind of like Bush's "tax rebate" in 2000. (which was actually a bribe to get people to forget the stolen election)

Now watch as I get railed for daring to mention the guy who wrecked the economy in the first place.

I voted for Obama and I only tell you this so that you don't jump out and say I hate on the guy, but seriously - what has he done that he promised to do?

All I ever hear from this administration and those like you who are seriously rabid about this administration is the blame game.  In other words, if Obama does not have the answer, then we should deflect the issue and blame the previous administration.  That is a world class cop-out.

Now, to get back to the point, what does any of this have to do with the issue being discussed?  Nothing!  Stimulus dollars being used to give someone a raise or bonus is a misuse of those funds - period.

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