AZ is a team that cannto run the ball, nor do they even wnt to attempt to run it.

They are last in the league with 64.9 YPG.  they are last in attempts at 138. (to put that in perspective, the Bears have 168 attempts, and that includes the Cincy game where we only had about 10 attempts).  They are 3rd from last int YPA at 3.3.

they dont run, and when they do, they suck at it.

On the other hand, they lead the league in passing attempts.

so, if we com out in Nickle, with Manning at Nickle and Vasher at safety. I think it puts us in the best position.  manning is great at blitxzing, so we can run a few of those to get old man waner rattled early.

and while I now many here are not big on Vasher, he is ten times better than Payne.

Now throw in the fact that they do not use thier TE's (13 total catches so far this year).  I think this is a strategy that can work.

Lovie, you out there?

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You do realize, calling the same play over and over again on defense just translates into getting torched. After about the second play, they will probably be catching on. They aren't idiots.

Example the Cincy game. We kept on calling that stupid cover 2 with the same personal and we kept on getting torched.

Thankgod your not our D Coordinator.

Yes its a known fact that they can't run for their life, but it always seems like we give up a huge run to someone because we can't tackle. Dont take their offense lightly.

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HesterReturns:

You do realize, calling the same play over and over again on defense just translates into getting torched. After about the second play, they will probably be catching on. They aren't idiots.

Example the Cincy game. We kept on calling that stupid cover 2 with the same personal and we kept on getting torched.

Thankgod your not our D Coordinator.

Yes its a known fact that they can't run for their life, but it always seems like we give up a huge run to someone because we can't tackle. Dont take their offense lightly.

Nice...

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# Dr. Hannibal Lector says: November 18, 2009 3:15 PM

Can we finally admit after a case history far worse than anyone else that Chicago is the worst sports city? Can we give up the tired old Philly and New York beating?

I think they're mad because they're so ugly. Watch the crowd shots at a Bears game. These people are all fat, nasty hideous gargoyles.

n e 1 know a web adress were i can listen to the bears games at

 

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bubbashucker:

AZ is a team that cannto run the ball, nor do they even wnt to attempt to run it.

They are last in the league with 64.9 YPG.  they are last in attempts at 138. (to put that in perspective, the Bears have 168 attempts, and that includes the Cincy game where we only had about 10 attempts).  They are 3rd from last int YPA at 3.3.

they dont run, and when they do, they suck at it.

On the other hand, they lead the league in passing attempts.

so, if we com out in Nickle, with Manning at Nickle and Vasher at safety. I think it puts us in the best position.  manning is great at blitxzing, so we can run a few of those to get old man waner rattled early.

and while I now many here are not big on Vasher, he is ten times better than Payne.

Now throw in the fact that they do not use thier TE's (13 total catches so far this year).  I think this is a strategy that can work.

Lovie, you out there?

So, take away the oppotunity for our defense to get turnovers by allowing them to boost their rushing stats and eat up the clock.

See, they will run the ball, but your idea will make them better at it. Why would you want to do that? you think they really care how they beat us?

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HesterReturns:

You do realize, calling the same play over and over again on defense just translates into getting torched. After about the second play, they will probably be catching on. They aren't idiots.

Example the Cincy game. We kept on calling that stupid cover 2 with the same personal and we kept on getting torched.

Thankgod your not our D Coordinator.

Yes its a known fact that they can't run for their life, but it always seems like we give up a huge run to someone because we can't tackle. Dont take their offense lightly.

OK, I guess I must explain a little.  "nickle" refers to the personnel grouping.  basically, we rplace Roach with a safety.  you do not run the same PLAY, just the same personnel. 

Cover 2 is a play (coverage on D).  We could run the cover 2 with nickel peronnel, we could blitz, etc.  it is a personnel grouping issue, not a coverage issue.

It is my belief (based on the imperical data of AZ leading the league in pass attempts and being last in the league in rush attempts) that we should try to stop the pass first, and worry about the run second.

I think many of you are confusing nickle with a dime, or prevent.

I am just saying to play pass D first, then look to stop the run.

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Uncle Zeek:

bubbashucker:

AZ is a team that cannto run the ball, nor do they even wnt to attempt to run it.

They are last in the league with 64.9 YPG.  they are last in attempts at 138. (to put that in perspective, the Bears have 168 attempts, and that includes the Cincy game where we only had about 10 attempts).  They are 3rd from last int YPA at 3.3.

they dont run, and when they do, they suck at it.

On the other hand, they lead the league in passing attempts.

so, if we com out in Nickle, with Manning at Nickle and Vasher at safety. I think it puts us in the best position.  manning is great at blitxzing, so we can run a few of those to get old man waner rattled early.

and while I now many here are not big on Vasher, he is ten times better than Payne.

Now throw in the fact that they do not use thier TE's (13 total catches so far this year).  I think this is a strategy that can work.

Lovie, you out there?

So, take away the oppotunity for our defense to get turnovers by allowing them to boost their rushing stats and eat up the clock.

See, they will run the ball, but your idea will make them better at it. Why would you want to do that? you think they really care how they beat us?

UZ:

Az is:

• LAST in th league in rush attempts
• LAST in the league in YPG
• LAST in rushing first down
• 30 in YPC
• thier longest run from scrimmage is 17 yards...in 7 games!

conversely, they are:

• FIRST in passing attempts
• 8th in yards per game
• 4th in passing first downs

so, no, they will not run the ball.  They will try to pass, and we need to plan on stopping the pass.

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I don't care how we line up.  We need to pressure, sack and hit Warner.  If we do not, we will probably loose the game.

motownbear71:

I don't care how we line up.  We need to pressure, sack and hit Warner.  If we do not, we will probably loose the game.

I agree.  by going to the nickle package, we can offer better coverage, thus ginving out d-linemen more time to rush, or use a vairiety of blitzes from the outside with safeties, rather than our usual "mug", blitz right over center.

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bubbashucker:

Uncle Zeek:

bubbashucker:

AZ is a team that cannto run the ball, nor do they even wnt to attempt to run it.

They are last in the league with 64.9 YPG.  they are last in attempts at 138. (to put that in perspective, the Bears have 168 attempts, and that includes the Cincy game where we only had about 10 attempts).  They are 3rd from last int YPA at 3.3.

they dont run, and when they do, they suck at it.

On the other hand, they lead the league in passing attempts.

so, if we com out in Nickle, with Manning at Nickle and Vasher at safety. I think it puts us in the best position.  manning is great at blitxzing, so we can run a few of those to get old man waner rattled early.

and while I now many here are not big on Vasher, he is ten times better than Payne.

Now throw in the fact that they do not use thier TE's (13 total catches so far this year).  I think this is a strategy that can work.

Lovie, you out there?

So, take away the oppotunity for our defense to get turnovers by allowing them to boost their rushing stats and eat up the clock.

See, they will run the ball, but your idea will make them better at it. Why would you want to do that? you think they really care how they beat us?

UZ:

Az is:

• LAST in th league in rush attempts
• LAST in the league in YPG
• LAST in rushing first down
• 30 in YPC
• thier longest run from scrimmage is 17 yards...in 7 games!

conversely, they are:

• FIRST in passing attempts
• 8th in yards per game
• 4th in passing first downs

so, no, they will not run the ball.  They will try to pass, and we need to plan on stopping the pass.

I see you come from the DB school of stat magic. Break it down game by game.

What do the Cardinals do on the road? Answer, their backs run the ball about 22 times per game.

How does that work for them? Answer, they average almost 4 yards a carry or 84 yards a game.

Are they playing at home or on the road? Answer, on the road.

So what do you think they will do? Answer, try to run the ball about 22 times.

Of course they are going to pass, their best weapons are in the passing game. But they run on the road, and they win on the road because of it. And they have at least one rushing TD for every road game this year to show for it.

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bubbashucker:

AZ is a team that cannto run the ball, nor do they even wnt to attempt to run it.

They are last in the league with 64.9 YPG.  they are last in attempts at 138. (to put that in perspective, the Bears have 168 attempts, and that includes the Cincy game where we only had about 10 attempts).  They are 3rd from last int YPA at 3.3.

they dont run, and when they do, they suck at it.

On the other hand, they lead the league in passing attempts.

so, if we com out in Nickle, with Manning at Nickle and Vasher at safety. I think it puts us in the best position.  manning is great at blitxzing, so we can run a few of those to get old man waner rattled early.

and while I now many here are not big on Vasher, he is ten times better than Payne.

Now throw in the fact that they do not use thier TE's (13 total catches so far this year).  I think this is a strategy that can work.

Lovie, you out there?

Not only do I support this idea , I believe the Bears will be in the nickel defense a lot . It's not the same play over and over again..it's the base defense . We call plays out of the nickel

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Uncle Zeek:

bubbashucker:

Uncle Zeek:

bubbashucker:

AZ is a team that cannto run the ball, nor do they even wnt to attempt to run it.

They are last in the league with 64.9 YPG.  they are last in attempts at 138. (to put that in perspective, the Bears have 168 attempts, and that includes the Cincy game where we only had about 10 attempts).  They are 3rd from last int YPA at 3.3.

they dont run, and when they do, they suck at it.

On the other hand, they lead the league in passing attempts.

so, if we com out in Nickle, with Manning at Nickle and Vasher at safety. I think it puts us in the best position.  manning is great at blitxzing, so we can run a few of those to get old man waner rattled early.

and while I now many here are not big on Vasher, he is ten times better than Payne.

Now throw in the fact that they do not use thier TE's (13 total catches so far this year).  I think this is a strategy that can work.

Lovie, you out there?

So, take away the oppotunity for our defense to get turnovers by allowing them to boost their rushing stats and eat up the clock.

See, they will run the ball, but your idea will make them better at it. Why would you want to do that? you think they really care how they beat us?

UZ:

Az is:

• LAST in th league in rush attempts
• LAST in the league in YPG
• LAST in rushing first down
• 30 in YPC
• thier longest run from scrimmage is 17 yards...in 7 games!

conversely, they are:

• FIRST in passing attempts
• 8th in yards per game
• 4th in passing first downs

so, no, they will not run the ball.  They will try to pass, and we need to plan on stopping the pass.

I see you come from the DB school of stat magic. Break it down game by game.

What do the Cardinals do on the road? Answer, their backs run the ball about 22 times per game.

How does that work for them? Answer, they average almost 4 yards a carry or 84 yards a game.

Are they playing at home or on the road? Answer, on the road.

So what do you think they will do? Answer, try to run the ball about 22 times.

Of course they are going to pass, their best weapons are in the passing game. But they run on the road, and they win on the road because of it. And they have at least one rushing TD for every road game this year to show for it.

OK, I will....

AZ at Jax:

28 rushes for 118 yards.  I will give you this game.  they ran well.  14 rushing attempts in each half

AZ at Sea:

26 rushes for 62 yards.  I really do not think that is what won the game, especially when you see that  they only had 12 first half attempts.  Then throw in that they had 14 attempts for....-1 yard....in the second half, when the should have been running to run out the clock

AZ at NYG:

22 attempts for 72 yards.  Not exactly lighting it up, especially when you see that they only had 8 first half attempts.

 

Overall, 22 attempts and 84 yards is actually pretty bad.  The nfl averages 28 attempts and 117 YPG.  think about it this way, everyone here is blasting the Bears for their lack of a running game..we average 24 attempts and 93 YPG.

Trust me, they will try to pass more than run.  They simply cannot run, and do not want to even make the attempt to do it.

If you had your chioce of Beanie/Hightower or Boldin, Fitz/Warner, what would you do.

We stop the pass, we win.

 

 

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bubbashucker:

Uncle Zeek:

bubbashucker:

Uncle Zeek:

bubbashucker:

AZ is a team that cannto run the ball, nor do they even wnt to attempt to run it.

They are last in the league with 64.9 YPG.  they are last in attempts at 138. (to put that in perspective, the Bears have 168 attempts, and that includes the Cincy game where we only had about 10 attempts).  They are 3rd from last int YPA at 3.3.

they dont run, and when they do, they suck at it.

On the other hand, they lead the league in passing attempts.

so, if we com out in Nickle, with Manning at Nickle and Vasher at safety. I think it puts us in the best position.  manning is great at blitxzing, so we can run a few of those to get old man waner rattled early.

and while I now many here are not big on Vasher, he is ten times better than Payne.

Now throw in the fact that they do not use thier TE's (13 total catches so far this year).  I think this is a strategy that can work.

Lovie, you out there?

So, take away the oppotunity for our defense to get turnovers by allowing them to boost their rushing stats and eat up the clock.

See, they will run the ball, but your idea will make them better at it. Why would you want to do that? you think they really care how they beat us?

UZ:

Az is:

• LAST in th league in rush attempts
• LAST in the league in YPG
• LAST in rushing first down
• 30 in YPC
• thier longest run from scrimmage is 17 yards...in 7 games!

conversely, they are:

• FIRST in passing attempts
• 8th in yards per game
• 4th in passing first downs

so, no, they will not run the ball.  They will try to pass, and we need to plan on stopping the pass.

I see you come from the DB school of stat magic. Break it down game by game.

What do the Cardinals do on the road? Answer, their backs run the ball about 22 times per game.

How does that work for them? Answer, they average almost 4 yards a carry or 84 yards a game.

Are they playing at home or on the road? Answer, on the road.

So what do you think they will do? Answer, try to run the ball about 22 times.

Of course they are going to pass, their best weapons are in the passing game. But they run on the road, and they win on the road because of it. And they have at least one rushing TD for every road game this year to show for it.

OK, I will....

AZ at Jax:

28 rushes for 118 yards.  I will give you this game.  they ran well.  14 rushing attempts in each half

AZ at Sea:

26 rushes for 62 yards.  I really do not think that is what won the game, especially when you see that  they only had 12 first half attempts.  Then throw in that they had 14 attempts for....-1 yard....in the second half, when the should have been running to run out the clock

AZ at NYG:

22 attempts for 72 yards.  Not exactly lighting it up, especially when you see that they only had 8 first half attempts.

 

Overall, 22 attempts and 84 yards is actually pretty bad.  The nfl averages 28 attempts and 117 YPG.  think about it this way, everyone here is blasting the Bears for their lack of a running game..we average 24 attempts and 93 YPG.

Trust me, they will try to pass more than run.  They simply cannot run, and do not want to even make the attempt to do it.

If you had your chioce of Beanie/Hightower or Boldin, Fitz/Warner, what would you do.

We stop the pass, we win.

 

 

I have watched all their games. The WILL attempt to run, they DO want to run on the road, and regardless of how good they have been doing it, you"d damn well better be ready for it because any one of their backs is capable of gashing you bigtime if you give them room.

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I AGREE VASHER SHOULD PLAY NICKEL AND CORY SHOULD PLAY CORNER TILL ZACK GETS UP TO SPEED

"I have watched all their games. The WILL attempt to run, they DO want to run on the road, and regardless of how good they have been doing it, you"d damn well better be ready for it because any one of their backs is capable of gashing you bigtime if you give them room."

(I dont know how to quote only a portion, so cut-n-paste).

So, 14 attempts in the firt half of Jax, 12 against Seat, and 8 against NYG is really an attempt at establishing the run?

and, I am not saying forget about the run, just dont sell out to stop it as we have in the past.  Play pass firt, then look at run.  Normally, we try to stop the other team from riunning, forcing them to pass.  Well in this case, I say do the opposite.  force them to run.

I would rather take my chances with Wells and Hightower over boldin and Fitz.

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You really should listen to me.

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bubbashucker:

Uncle Zeek:

bubbashucker:

Uncle Zeek:

bubbashucker:

AZ is a team that cannto run the ball, nor do they even wnt to attempt to run it.

They are last in the league with 64.9 YPG.  they are last in attempts at 138. (to put that in perspective, the Bears have 168 attempts, and that includes the Cincy game where we only had about 10 attempts).  They are 3rd from last int YPA at 3.3.

they dont run, and when they do, they suck at it.

On the other hand, they lead the league in passing attempts.

so, if we com out in Nickle, with Manning at Nickle and Vasher at safety. I think it puts us in the best position.  manning is great at blitxzing, so we can run a few of those to get old man waner rattled early.

and while I now many here are not big on Vasher, he is ten times better than Payne.

Now throw in the fact that they do not use thier TE's (13 total catches so far this year).  I think this is a strategy that can work.

Lovie, you out there?

So, take away the oppotunity for our defense to get turnovers by allowing them to boost their rushing stats and eat up the clock.

See, they will run the ball, but your idea will make them better at it. Why would you want to do that? you think they really care how they beat us?

UZ:

Az is:

• LAST in th league in rush attempts
• LAST in the league in YPG
• LAST in rushing first down
• 30 in YPC
• thier longest run from scrimmage is 17 yards...in 7 games!

conversely, they are:

• FIRST in passing attempts
• 8th in yards per game
• 4th in passing first downs

so, no, they will not run the ball.  They will try to pass, and we need to plan on stopping the pass.

I see you come from the DB school of stat magic. Break it down game by game.

What do the Cardinals do on the road? Answer, their backs run the ball about 22 times per game.

How does that work for them? Answer, they average almost 4 yards a carry or 84 yards a game.

Are they playing at home or on the road? Answer, on the road.

So what do you think they will do? Answer, try to run the ball about 22 times.

Of course they are going to pass, their best weapons are in the passing game. But they run on the road, and they win on the road because of it. And they have at least one rushing TD for every road game this year to show for it.

OK, I will....

AZ at Jax:

28 rushes for 118 yards.  I will give you this game.  they ran well.  14 rushing attempts in each half

AZ at Sea:

26 rushes for 62 yards.  I really do not think that is what won the game, especially when you see that  they only had 12 first half attempts.  Then throw in that they had 14 attempts for....-1 yard....in the second half, when the should have been running to run out the clock

AZ at NYG:

22 attempts for 72 yards.  Not exactly lighting it up, especially when you see that they only had 8 first half attempts.

 

Overall, 22 attempts and 84 yards is actually pretty bad.  The nfl averages 28 attempts and 117 YPG.  think about it this way, everyone here is blasting the Bears for their lack of a running game..we average 24 attempts and 93 YPG.

Trust me, they will try to pass more than run.  They simply cannot run, and do not want to even make the attempt to do it.

If you had your chioce of Beanie/Hightower or Boldin, Fitz/Warner, what would you do.

We stop the pass, we win.

 

 

29 carries and 154 yards from their RBs today. Over 5 YPC. Look past the numbers next time.

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Uncle Zeek:

You really should listen to me.

11 of thier first 17 plays were passes. they ran 36 plays in the half.  23 were planned passes, one was a reverse. 

Dont confuse our putrid excuse for a D with AZ's abilty/desire to run.  Our tackling was horrible.  our gap control was pathetic.

But, AZ came out throwing.  We could not stop that either.

What a dissappointing day

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gramster10:

I AGREE VASHER SHOULD PLAY NICKEL AND CORY SHOULD PLAY CORNER TILL ZACK GETS UP TO SPEED

Vasher will get drilled if he is playing nickel... cant tackle for his life

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bubbashucker:

Uncle Zeek:

You really should listen to me.

11 of thier first 17 plays were passes. they ran 36 plays in the half.  23 were planned passes, one was a reverse. 

Dont confuse our putrid excuse for a D with AZ's abilty/desire to run.  Our tackling was horrible.  our gap control was pathetic.

But, AZ came out throwing.  We could not stop that either.

What a dissappointing day

I'm not confusing anything I told you they run on the road and while they don't always do it well, they can gash you. And they did.

First series 3 rushes for 19 yards. Second possesion, 3 rushes for 29 yards. Third psession, 3 rushes for 31 yards, fourth possesion 3 rushes for 24 yards (not counting the Breaston reverse). Fifth possesion they only had 22 seconds so running not an option. sixth possesion 5 for 23.

You know what all of those possesions have in common? They all ended in scores. And seven of those rushes in those drives were for first downs.

Stat readers don't see that coming. A game analyst does.

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No More Excusses!
10 wins or a new staff!